AMD not doing as well as I thought

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  • ssuellid 17 Mar 2006 16:54:16 19,141 posts
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    "According to iSuppli, Intel sold $35.466bn worth of chips in 2005, up 13 per cent on 2004's total, $31.396bn. AMD, by contrast, sold fewer semiconductors last year than the year before: its 2005 sales totalled $3.917bn, down 23.3 per cent on the previous year's $5.108bn - the worst performance of a world top 20 chip maker. The market as a whole grew 3.6 per cent

    Intel quit 2005 with 15 per cent of the world semiconductor market - AMD's share was 1.7 per cent. The x86 CPU business is big, of course, but the overall chip market numbers reveal how relatively small it is. AMD came 15th in the world chip-maker chart - four rungs down the ladder from its 2004 ranking."

    "When it comes to fables chip companies, the two key rivals, Nvidia and ATI, swapped positions in 2005. Nvidia moved up a rung to third place; ATI fell from third place to fourth. The two firms ended 2005 with market shares of 6.1 and 5.9 per cent, respectively"
  • Carrybagma 17 Mar 2006 17:03:51 3,904 posts
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    Thought AMD were considering getting out of Semi anyway?

    Ahh who cares. They're just fine.
  • wonton 17 Mar 2006 18:40:40 26 posts
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    What do you mean AMD are not doing as well as you thought? Did you seriously expect them to do half as well as Intel, considering the volume at which they sell at? You should be glad that at least AMD are still being innovative and making profit in the semicon market. Ultimately, AMD were always the underdog and it will stay that way for a while yet.
  • urban 19 Mar 2006 22:59:37 10,945 posts
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    to go from a tiny factory in the mid west to a 52% share in gamers pc's (steam's recently hardware survey) i'd say they are doing JUST FINE.

    like that other guy said...

    amd ftw
  • roz123 11 Oct 2011 10:50:32 7,113 posts
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    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=352045

    Looks as if the next set of AMD processors have been a bit underwhelming from early previews
  • rudedudejude 11 Oct 2011 10:58:08 2,178 posts
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    AMD are cooler though.

    I remember when I got my Athlon 64, it was da SHIZZLE!
  • PenguinJim 11 Oct 2011 10:59:40 5,865 posts
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    It was a very different team at AMD back then.
  • urban 11 Oct 2011 11:51:46 10,945 posts
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    Intel got it's shit together, the i5-i7's absolutely Annihilate anything AMD has to offer at the moment.

    AMD were a great thing for a stagnant market place but nowadays they have a lot of work to do.

  • Whizzo 11 Oct 2011 12:00:40 43,133 posts
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    Early signs are that Bulldozer is going to disappoint, unless it's the most insane PR stunt going.

    Looks like that i5-2500K build is happening for me now.

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  • dsmx 11 Oct 2011 12:07:43 7,605 posts
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    Surely we all must of suspected that since AMD have spent so long on this and have basically given free reign to intel at the high end market for what seems like years now.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • DodgyPast 11 Oct 2011 14:21:17 8,474 posts
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    urban wrote:
    Intel got it's shit together, the i5-i7's absolutely Annihilate anything AMD has to offer at the moment.

    AMD were a great thing for a stagnant market place but nowadays they have a lot of work to do.
    Netburst and the belief that CPU's were going to hit 10GHz by 2005 really stuffed intel.

    Took them until CoreDuo to get properly in front and now AMD are really suffering as the Sandybridge stuff is pretty amazing bang for buck.
  • hollowroom 11 Oct 2011 14:30:02 189 posts
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    Well, I went with i7 and must admit to not even considering AMD this time round. The last time I built a PC (probably around 5 years ago) I remember it being a lot closer.
  • whatthefu 11 Oct 2011 15:07:52 870 posts
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    still happy with my phenom ll, was good value compared to the intels
    pity it seems BS isnt more competitive
  • Bremenacht 11 Oct 2011 15:13:57 18,314 posts
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    Bulldozer detailed. An interesting read.
  • uiruki 11 Oct 2011 15:27:44 3,704 posts
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    The almost complete lack of triumphalist bullshit from Charlie Demerjian since the GTX 590 launch says much more than any preview benchmarks from possibly non-final hardware.
  • Dirtbox 11 Oct 2011 15:28:50 78,221 posts
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    The price tag says more than he ever needs to about it.

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  • uiruki 11 Oct 2011 15:31:31 3,704 posts
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    Haha, yeah! It's fun winding up people who have waited over 8 months since the launch of SB for this.
  • roz123 11 Oct 2011 15:39:45 7,113 posts
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    Sounds as if these new ones consume a lot more power then the SBs
  • grey_matters 12 Oct 2011 05:37:16 3,763 posts
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    So mostly disappointing then.
    Wherever there is a highly multi-threaded environment it does very well but wherever there isn't, it does very poorly.
    It looks to me that they should've stayed with an improved Thuban base for desktop initially when moving to 32nm (a Phenom 3 X8 with tweaked cache etc would out-perform this and a high clocked Phenom 3 X4 would hold its own in games for the most part) and keep Bulldozer for the server market until next year when they'd have a better feel for both their process tech and how to fit it to the desktop.
    Reasonably good then, but not game changing even in AMD terms and given it needs a new socket and seems to consume a good bit of power it doesn't look like it'll be that recommendable.

    Edit: and expect that price to come down in the coming months. Very few people do enough rendering/encoding to justify a higher price than the i5 2500k. Windows 8 should improve things for this type of cpu but, as it is, this cpu seems to fall between two stools.
  • coastal 12 Oct 2011 06:31:54 5,383 posts
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    uiruki, and without the competition AMD provides you wouldn't be using your new SB right now. So laugh all you want AMD going to the dogs isn't good use for any customer.

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  • grey_matters 12 Oct 2011 06:58:51 3,763 posts
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    The more I think about it, the more that Global Foundries' 32nm process seems to be a major element in this disappointment. This cpu was designed to be running at much higher clocks than this (8GHz has been achieved already under extreme cooling) but the power consumption is way too high to allow this. A 4.2GHz+ base with 5GHz+ turbo would be a very strong challenge to the i7 2600k* (and indeed the 980X).

    *excluding all but the most modern multi-threaded games
  • uiruki 12 Oct 2011 07:06:47 3,704 posts
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    coastal wrote:
    uiruki, and without the competition AMD provides you wouldn't be using your new SB right now. So laugh all you want AMD going to the dogs isn't good use for any customer.

    Hahaha. Another one bites! I was doing the same when Intel were making hotter and hotter P4s while enjoying my Barton 2500+, upgraded with a few keypresses to 3200+, running happily inside a tiny Shuttle case.

    edit: And of course, there was Thunderbird - a time when nobody should have bought an Intel processor.
  • Whizzo 12 Oct 2011 08:50:01 43,133 posts
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    Well the early tests were right then, Bulldozer really isn't up to the job of competing with Intel.

    Shame, it's always nice for competition but when you're struggling to outdo your previous tech then there's something seriously wrong.

    I'm sure when the server parts come out they'll be great for shoving in a blade and running tons of VMs on but it looks like a complete disaster otherwise.

    Perhaps Roland Emmerich will direct the movie?

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  • grey_matters 12 Oct 2011 09:29:09 3,763 posts
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    Disaster for gaming and for single threaded applications. Rendering and encoding are good but the X6 was good at this anyway. You get the feeling that FX 2 (coded piledriver, I think) will be fine with better clocks and some improvements but Ivy Bridge will out by then and the cycle continues.
  • Widge Moderator 12 Oct 2011 09:31:43 13,614 posts
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    Better for rendering? I could do with something that renders audio faster.

    I'm on a PhenomII and my last mix was taking up to an hour to process...

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    www.inverted-audio.com

  • grey_matters 12 Oct 2011 09:44:35 3,763 posts
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    I'm the same. Ivy Bridge next year most likely.
  • Bremenacht 12 Oct 2011 19:43:28 18,314 posts
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    grey_matters wrote:
    Bulldozer for the server market
    That's probably what is was aimed at really, given how AMD lost so much server market share, which it did so well to gain. That predict/pre-fetch malarky might be magic for AMD in that area. If it works.

    Perhaps AMD really has dropped out of high-end desktop altogether, leaving Bobcat.
  • Dirtbox 12 Oct 2011 20:52:38 78,221 posts
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    Aren't AMD looking more towards the GPU integration market now? Their A-Series APUs seem to have the Sandy bridge's well and truly licked in the graphical performance department and ivy bridge are only meant to "narrowthe gap". I'm keeping an eye on them for an HTPC build.

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