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  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:41:44 604 posts
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    Having just watched the Matrix 1, 2 and 3 (I'll call them that for simplicity) because of forced immobility (biking accident)), I conclude the following:

    Matrix 1: Excellent
    Matrix 2: Very Good
    Matrix 3: Starts off OK, but by the end dissappearing up its own arse

    Just thought I'd share that with you.

    I guess its the way with all films is it not? Any example's of trilogy's (or more) that don;t end up that way?





    Edited by PepsiMax at 22:43:50 19-02-2006
  • Pirotic Moderator 19 Feb 2006 22:44:07 20,636 posts
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    Meh, I'd rather they merged 2 and 3 into a single movie - so many lame moments they could easily have cut out, even half of the action sequences go on so long you start to look at your watch despite knowing it probably cost them millions of pounds to do.

    First one is brilliant!
  • dr-gray 19 Feb 2006 22:45:10 376 posts
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  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:46:09 604 posts
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    Pirotic wrote:
    Meh, I'd rather they merged 2 and 3 into a single movie - so many lame moments they could easily have cut out, even half of the action sequences go on so long you start to look at your watch despite knowing it probably cost them millions of pounds to do.

    First one is brilliant!
    Exactly.

    Whilst watching I just started thinkng of the amount they could have put into reducing third world debt rather than spending it on that.

    Still, I've seen worse.

    /puts JC2 on ignore



  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:47:05 604 posts
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    wheres JC2 gone? Not that I'm complaining.
  • Deleted user 19 February 2006 22:47:08
    If you ignore the bad philosophy and sometimes dodgy effects, the two sequels are alright as pure action films. The Burly Brawl in Reloaded is still fun, and ignoring Smith's impression of Popeye, the final fight in Revolutions is nice, as is the Dock Assault.

    Just skip over virtually everything with the Merovengian or people moaning about destiny and choice.
  • Pirotic Moderator 19 Feb 2006 22:49:59 20,636 posts
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    I heard the reason 2 and 3 are rather poor is that the first movie was based on a script called 'the third eye' (without having given any credit to the original writer who was taking them to court), and they made up 2 and 3 themselves.

    Would make sense, but the internet doesn't seem to cast any light on if its true, myth or some crazy woman trying to get money from them.
  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:51:28 604 posts
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    Yeah, the dock assault is good, classic action sci fi.

    …Gremmi : Wow - Merovengian - I've just spent 3 hours tyring to work out WTF he was called. I liked him, tho', his wife was fit and I like the bit where the cake give the woman the orgasm - if only it was so easy.

    /welcome back JC2 btw.




  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:52:20 604 posts
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    the 3rd eye could have a lot of meanings!
  • ecureuil 19 Feb 2006 22:52:34 74,087 posts
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    The first is great, second is terrible, third is marginally better. I really really hated the second one, though. It's by far the worst of the three.
  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:53:10 604 posts
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    JC2 wrote:
    PepsiMax wrote:
    /welcome back JC2 btw.
    I thought you ignored me? I love you anyway.
    cheers
  • Pirotic Moderator 19 Feb 2006 22:54:05 20,636 posts
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    The Merovengian actor is also in Catwoman playing a very american character, he's pretty handy with his accents. His "hot" wife is Monica Belluci, who is a bit too old for me but still worth a google.

    The whole merovengian character was a bit thin if you ask me, i like the concept of having a 'program' turn against the machines for its own benefit and starting a digital mafia of programs who refused to be deleted - they could of expanded on it far more as the way they did it, without having read the forums and watched the anime's it was all a bit confusing.
  • Deleted user 19 February 2006 22:56:48
    A little known fact is that they ended up virtually rewriting most of Revolutions after Reloaded's Architect section turned out to be the worst bit of the film. The original Revolutions expanded a lot more on the "sixth" idea, revealing that the Merovengian was actually one of the previous Ones who had rejected the whole system and chosen to live a selfish existence within the Matrix, and also had a better explanation of why Smith went out of control this time. (the theory being that the events of the first film were scripted by the Machines, all the agents effectively being actors/puppets, again giving the illusion of choice. Smith had "died" so many times his program became corrupted and literally ejected himself from the Machine mainframe, becoming sentient. They instead chose to make it that Neo overwrote Smith's program with an element of himself, which made the system unstable, so Smith's growing power was the system trying to balance itself. Shit idea, really)
  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:57:44 604 posts
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    by the end of the second one, I kind of gave up on the 'deeper' side of it and just began to treat it as an action film, which is a shame really.

    Monica Bellcui - I know the name. Too old!!?? I guess you're faIrly young then!

  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 22:59:23 604 posts
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    Gremmi wrote:
    A little known fact is that they ended up virtually rewriting most of Revolutions after Reloaded's Architect section turned out to be the worst bit of the film. The original Revolutions expanded a lot more on the "sixth" idea, revealing that the Merovengian was actually one of the previous Ones who had rejected the whole system and chosen to live a selfish existence within the Matrix, and also had a better explanation of why Smith went out of control this time. (the theory being that the events of the first film were scripted by the Machines, all the agents effectively being actors/puppets, again giving the illusion of choice. Smith had "died" so many times his program became corrupted and literally ejected himself from the Machine mainframe, becoming sentient. They instead chose to make it that Neo overwrote Smith's program with an element of himself, which made the system unstable, so Smith's growing power was the system trying to balance itself. Shit idea, really)
    I think I'd better set some time aside and watch then all again. hell's teeth!
  • PepsiMax 19 Feb 2006 23:02:59 604 posts
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    BTW, yes thanks for asking, I'll live following my accident!

    spelling!

    Edited by PepsiMax at 23:03:31 19-02-2006
  • Trowel 19 Feb 2006 23:52:22 15,016 posts
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    PepsiMax wrote:
    I think I'd better set some time aside and watch then all again. hell's teeth!
    BTW, yes thanks for asking, I'll live following my accident!
    Mmm, doubtful you'll want to after watching the second and third films again...
  • Tomo 19 Feb 2006 23:56:10 13,416 posts
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    I agree with you PepsiMax.

    The Matrix - Excellent.
    The Matrix Reloaded - Very good.
    The Matrix Revolutions - Bad, bad, bad!

    Reloaded was like Aliens to Alien if you ask me.
  • ilmaestro 20 Feb 2006 00:20:13 31,965 posts
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    Gremmi wrote:
    A little known fact is that they ended up virtually rewriting most of Revolutions after Reloaded's Architect section turned out to be the worst bit of the film. The original Revolutions expanded a lot more on the "sixth" idea, revealing that the Merovengian was actually one of the previous Ones who had rejected the whole system and chosen to live a selfish existence within the Matrix, and also had a better explanation of why Smith went out of control this time. (the theory being that the events of the first film were scripted by the Machines, all the agents effectively being actors/puppets, again giving the illusion of choice. Smith had "died" so many times his program became corrupted and literally ejected himself from the Machine mainframe, becoming sentient. They instead chose to make it that Neo overwrote Smith's program with an element of himself, which made the system unstable, so Smith's growing power was the system trying to balance itself. Shit idea, really)
    Where could I read more about this angle that the third film was going to go, as it seems far closer to what seemed like the 'sensible' way to continue the story?

    4235

  • Dirtbox 28 Aug 2011 09:09:18 73,655 posts
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    Bump from the very bowels of the forum.

    The original Author of the story wins her copyright infringement case.

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  • CosmicFuzz 28 Aug 2011 09:26:43 18,782 posts
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    Interesting! But why Terminator as well?

    And why oh why does the article bring her skin colour into the equation?!
  • Razz 28 Aug 2011 09:30:12 57,905 posts
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    Damn... That's some crazy shit.

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  • CzR 28 Aug 2011 09:32:22 72 posts
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    I always thought that The Matrix was heavily influenced by Neuromancer.

    Didn't Harlan Ellison write the story in which The Terminator was based?
  • Razz 28 Aug 2011 09:49:37 57,905 posts
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    CosmicFuzz wrote:

    Interesting! But why Terminator as well?

    And why oh why does the article bring her skin colour into the equation?!
    Apparently the terminator was based on an early draft of the third eye, even the classic "I'll be back" line was lifted right from her manuscript

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  • CosmicFuzz 28 Aug 2011 09:57:40 18,782 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    CosmicFuzz wrote:

    Interesting! But why Terminator as well?

    And why oh why does the article bring her skin colour into the equation?!
    Apparently the terminator was based on an early draft of the third eye, even the classic "I'll be back" line was lifted right from her manuscript
    I see! Cheers Razz. I wonder if there's a copy of the script on the Internet somewhere. Would be cool to read it.
  • Dirtbox 28 Aug 2011 09:59:24 73,655 posts
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    CosmicFuzz wrote:
    Interesting! But why Terminator as well?

    And why oh why does the article bring her skin colour into the equation?!
    I know, right.

    A black power friend on FB linked it so I suppose he only bothers with sites where that business matters.

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  • Razz 28 Aug 2011 10:18:47 57,905 posts
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    Wasn't her ethnicity relevant as she was sick of the blaxploitation flics and after seeing Star Wars she wrote the third eye to be a black sci film. Just offering a counter argument here, still not sure how true any of this is, I mean surely there's a few non-AOL Time Warner owned major media outlets that would be reporting on this story.

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