|It summed up a lot of feeling in here. Personally I like both the new movies despite the obvious flaws and not feeling like proper Trek.|
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stephenb 2,965 posts
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Sums up my thoughts nicely
Maybe they should just drop the writers and JJ for the next one. Let them play with Star Wars which is what they always wanted anyway.
Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 10:19:29 14-05-2013
Problem is with Into Darkness was that their was some Star Trek trying to break out but it just never got a chance. I don't know if that was JJ's directing or the writers though.
I have a feeling it was both.
Saw this last night, I enjoyed as a sci-fi action film. But it wasn't really a star trek film, despite there being lots of fan service. Because, to be honest, the fan service was very weaksauce. still... seatbelts! Finally!
I wasn't expecting the klingon design change, to be fair to JJ it's not the first time this has happened and it makes them appear even more alien (well predator really) than before. I want to see more of the 1701-D er... dreadnought class ship. I know this trek doesn't focus too much on the tech but I'd like to see a detailed pic of it.
Also,hats? Really? They went full on navy with the starfleet uniform design. I took it as a visual cue that Star Fleet was becoming more militaristic.
More random aliens! Yaay! Loved the guy on the bridge with the deep booming voice, I thought it might have been a redesign of the binars at first. But, of course, they travel in paris and there was only one guy.
Enjoyed the redesign of the warp core, inside and out. But I miss the clean design of the old series'.
Edited by Razz at 11:15:58 14-05-2013
Edited by Razz at 12:16:30 14-05-2013
Scurrminator 8,585 posts
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Seen it before, it's too dark. Need a proper detailed diagram
Edited by Razz at 12:04:02 14-05-2013
Oh, I found some better pics, until I saw them I didn't even know the saucer section had a centre cutout and that the ship is bigger than the 1701-d and E put together!
Edited by Razz at 12:13:45 14-05-2013
How the hell did they measure those?
nickthegun 64,273 posts
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Its the change in the timeline. nero came and fucked up starfleet in a single ship, so the federation make big, dirty warships incase it ever happens again.
This will mean that things like the dominion war will, eventually, be a curb stomp for them.
Yet they still fear the Klingons....who also got skull fucked by 1 ship just not as much as starfleet.
The Klingons were probably scared shitless by that too and probably have gone quickly military nuts and being Klingons that's quite something.
The Dominion and Borg are probably going to get fucked in the face from first contact at this point
Hmmm there's potential for awesomeness here
Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 12:34:09 14-05-2013
Ranger_Ryu 1,266 posts
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to be fair the Nerada was retrofitted with Borg Technology according to the prequel comic so it's understandable how they got beat. Besides the Vengence was all down to Admiral Marcus anyway, it's not Starfleet's policy to build pure battleships.
You think a Romulan mining ship carries weaponry like that as standard then?
Well, I suppose they're Romulan.
wizardofoz85 314 posts
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Saw into the darkness the other day. Seemed like a decent sci-fi action movie but it's just not trek.
In the original Kirk used to have ideas, he'd do things with a plan, in this it just seems that everyone else does the thinking and planning and Kirk just throws himself into a situation without thinking.
Every other character seems to be intelligent and have plans and they'll say things to him like "your aptitude is off the charts" and with the torpedoes being beamed over "It's what you would have done". Really?
The characters just seem to be sufficiently changed to not be the same which means something just feels off with it and there's no connection to them, with Kirks revival being telegraphed from the beginning and Spocks Khan shout just being fanwanky rather than a good moment.
Still, like I said, decent movie but not Trek. But I don't see us getting that back now.
1.The TV rights are owned by a separate company (CBS) to the arsewipes making the JJVerse movies (Paramount Pictures) They used to be all one company (Viacom) but it got split into two. So if CBS want to get a cut of Star Trek they need to invest in getting a TV series off the ground.
2.TV series can't be shallow action all the time.
3.The cast aren't committed to the franchise so I'm not expecting Quinto to do more than their currently contractual obligation, at which point even Paramount will have to decide what direction they go next.
Edited by GiarcYekrub at 13:46:26 14-05-2013
Ok. Enough bullshit Gayrub.
CBS AND Paramount Pictures are both owned by Viacom.
Edit Apparently not anymore...SORRY!
Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 13:57:50 14-05-2013
Reading into this, Paramount own the distribution rights to the TV series as well...so errm what the fuck are CBS doing?
CBS Corporation is public company trading independently of Viacom(Paramount) they have a lot of common shareholders but CBS is a separate corporate entity
Edited by GiarcYekrub at 14:11:19 14-05-2013
CBS has the TV rights, Paramount the movie ones.
It's complex and confusing and probally one of the reason a new Trek series hasn't materialised sooner but CBS have at least two divisions that are Star Trek related
Yeah but according to Wikilol Paramount also have the video distribution rights to the TV series.
Soooooooo what do CBS get out of star trek at the moment? Do Paramount get the revenue for selling the dvd's, blu-rays etc and CBS get some royalty payment for creating them?
It seems CBS are just sitting on the rights.
They're obviously too busy counting all the money they're making from merchandise and broadcasting rights sales or something.
Maybe CBS could combine a couple of their properties into a new show? NCIS:Utopia Planitia, How I Meet Your Moogie or perhaps 2 Broke Gorns?
Beverly Hills Cop: Beverly Crusher plays a wise-cracking, African-American male cop.
Double Neelix. Neelix clones himself with hilarious consequences.
Canary Worf. Lt. Commander Worf plays an investment banker, with searingly dull consequences.
Q Gardens. Q tends to his plants in an affluent suburb of west London.
Bird of Gay. Aidan Gillen plays a promiscuous Kingon homosexual, tempting attractive males of all species in his fabulous pink ship. George Takei co-stars.
The Only Weyoun Is Essex. Machiavellian Vorta ambassador Weyoun is parachuted into romford to create a new army of perma-tanned goons to bring back to the gamma quadrant.
Wayoun's World. It's not party time. It's not excellent.
A pandimensional godlike being whisks Picard and crew from the enterprise into a light entertainment panel show hell of endless repeats on Dave from which there is no escape, or is there?
Tuvok To Be Kidding Me. Dismal Vulcan stand-up set aboard the USS Voyager.
You Can Go Chakotay: Documentary following First Officer Chakotay's tour of the Delta Quadrant performing the hits of Fleetwood Mac.
Jean-Luc of the Irish. Spin-off drama from the makers of Heartbeat following Captain Picard as he adjusts to his new life running a bookmakers in rural Ireland.
Make it Sew. One off special in which the Next Generation crew have just one week to restore a 19th Century sewing factory to full working order.
Hasparat, the romantic adventures of Kira Nerys in an oppressed Bajor where her mother opens a crappy restaurant before getting captured and indoctrinated by the evil Cardasian overlord.
That's all from a facebook post on my wall...only one of those was created by me!
thelzdking 4,666 posts
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Dukat on a Hot Tin Roof: Gul Dukat's familial tensions set against the backdrop of the Bajoran occupation.
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Edited by fletch7100 at 16:06:37 14-05-2013
@fletch7100 Simply AWESOME!