The Official 2018 World Cup Thread :( Page 59

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  • Mola_Ram 11 Oct 2017 06:34:22 16,355 posts
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    Australia just snuck through to the next stage last night, against Syria. It was a fucking shambles, only saved by two goals from 37-year-old Tim Cahill.

    ...this is not going to go well for us
  • Dougs 11 Oct 2017 06:50:55 83,774 posts
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    Ha, typical that the close season that Alexis won't be going to some tournament or other is the year he won't be playing for us!
  • Frogofdoom 11 Oct 2017 06:51:36 6,126 posts
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    Argentina have qualified but USA haven't.

    Would have been weird without Argentina there.
  • grey_matters 11 Oct 2017 07:09:46 4,322 posts
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    Frogofdoom wrote:
    Argentina have qualified but USA haven't.

    Would have been weird without Argentina there.
    Yeah, really weird. Even the US has become a bit of a mainstay. Have they even missed one in the last 30 years?
  • superbob85 11 Oct 2017 08:39:23 7,990 posts
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    The stage was set perfectly for Messi to fire Argentina to qualification. How they got themselves in that position with the fire power they have was anyone's guess. The world cup will be a better place with both Ronaldo and Messi.
  • mangojoe 11 Oct 2017 08:49:50 1,529 posts
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    With help from everyone else, Colombia qualify . Get in!
  • superbob85 11 Oct 2017 08:58:50 7,990 posts
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    USA didn't qualify as both results with Panama and Honduras went against them. But when you lose to Trinidad and Tobago you don't deserve to qualify. It was only Tobago's 2nd win in qualification.

    Edited by superbob85 at 08:59:10 11-10-2017
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 09:17:53 11,053 posts
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    If other teams get more points than you they're going to qualify instead of you. Enough said.
  • superbob85 11 Oct 2017 11:00:05 7,990 posts
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    My point exactly when you lose to Trinidad you don't deserve to go to a world cup.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 11 Oct 2017 11:13:15 9,891 posts
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    I would honestly quite like to see Argentina win the WC, if only to put the ridiculous argument that Messi can't be considered the GOAT until he wins it to bed. Particularly as Cronaldo somehow managed to blag a Euros trophy.
  • docrob 11 Oct 2017 11:16:46 793 posts
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    RelaxedMikki wrote:
    Vamoooooooos Peru!!!

    Made the playoff against New Zealand. Amazing. Was not expecting Paraguay to lose to Venezuela, but bloody glad they did. Last time Peru made the World Cup, Sotland were there!
    FFS. We only missed one (1994) between 1974 and 1998!
  • docrob 11 Oct 2017 11:16:48 793 posts
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  • docrob 11 Oct 2017 11:18:55 793 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    I would honestly quite like to see Argentina win the WC, if only to put the ridiculous argument that Messi can't be considered the GOAT until he wins it to bed. Particularly as Cronaldo somehow managed to blag a Euros trophy.
    What a load of crap. So however good you are, you canít be the GOAT unless you happen to hail from one of the half-dozen countries with a realistic chance of winning the WC?
  • You-can-call-me-kal 11 Oct 2017 11:26:22 9,891 posts
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    Like I say, it's a ridiculous argument.

    It's only used so that people can argue that Maradona was better as he single-handedly dragged Argentina to a title.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 11:46:01 11,053 posts
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    superbob85 wrote:
    My point exactly when you lose to Trinidad you don't deserve to go to a world cup.
    It's a good point. If other teams win more games than you it means they get points. The teams with the most points deserve to go through to the next stage while the teams with less points should go out. It's as simple as that at the end of the day.
  • reddevil93 11 Oct 2017 21:55:41 13,805 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    I would honestly quite like to see Argentina win the WC, if only to put the ridiculous argument that Messi can't be considered the GOAT until he wins it to bed. Particularly as Cronaldo somehow managed to blag a Euros trophy.
    Yeah, then we can know the only thing that separates him and Ronnie is doing it in more than 1 league. until he comes and rips it up with City
  • RelaxedMikki 11 Oct 2017 22:16:57 2,268 posts
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    I prefer Messi to Ronaldo because he is Enano not Adonis. I prefer unpredictable natural genius over ego-driven perfectionist dedication. I think the best players should create for others as well as for themselves.

    And I fu#king hate step overs.
  • THFourteen 11 Oct 2017 22:54:33 46,269 posts
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    http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41580638

    Wtf is this shit, April fools?!
  • Dougs 12 Oct 2017 07:17:39 83,774 posts
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    I really do wish the governing bodies would just stop fucking about with things
  • Armoured_Bear 12 Oct 2017 08:37:44 20,482 posts
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    Ronaldhino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messi
  • superbob85 12 Oct 2017 08:44:38 7,990 posts
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    That reminds me of the great Barcelona front 3 Messi Ronaldinho Ett'o. Tough judging between Messi and Ronaldinho as Messi wasn't near his peak at the time.
  • THFourteen 12 Oct 2017 08:45:11 46,269 posts
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    If they had played in a proper league they probably wouldn't have broken 20 goals a season between them
  • superbob85 12 Oct 2017 08:48:19 7,990 posts
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    Ronaldinho put a great Chelsea team to the sword Messi grabbed a goal in the final v man utd. I think it's an interesting argument but I think the quality of both would have shown through.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Oct 2017 09:22:44 9,891 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Ronaldhino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messi
    It depends how you judge these things. Peak Ronaldhino was arguably better than peak Messi. But peak Ronaldhino lasted maybe two seasons. You could put a similar case forward for Maradona as well.

    But nobody with the possible exception of Pele and Cronaldo has maintained such a high level for such a long time. Especially not playing at the highest competitive domestic level. Cronaldo is really the only other one you can compare in that respect and even he took longer to hit top gear.

    And even without that consideration, it's still highly debatable whether anyone has surpassed Messi. Certainly not 14 greater than symbols surpassed.

    Edited by You-can-call-me-kal at 09:23:13 12-10-2017
  • Armoured_Bear 12 Oct 2017 10:13:19 20,482 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Ronaldhino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messi
    It depends how you judge these things. Peak Ronaldhino was arguably better than peak Messi. But peak Ronaldhino lasted maybe two seasons. You could put a similar case forward for Maradona as well.

    But nobody with the possible exception of Pele and Cronaldo has maintained such a high level for such a long time. Especially not playing at the highest competitive domestic level. Cronaldo is really the only other one you can compare in that respect and even he took longer to hit top gear.

    And even without that consideration, it's still highly debatable whether anyone has surpassed Messi. Certainly not 14 greater than symbols surpassed.

    That's a fair point about his consistency over such a long period, in terms of outrageous, flamboyant skill I'd say Ronaldhino and Maradona were 'better' than Messi but maybe 14 was pushing it :)
  • Armoured_Bear 12 Oct 2017 10:15:29 20,482 posts
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    I'll just leave this here
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Oct 2017 10:29:57 9,891 posts
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    Yeah, him and Zidane are my two favourites of all time for their ability to use 'tricks' in a meaningful match-winning way. Very rare.

    But I also think Messi can not be rated highly enough. He is absolutely ridiculous. I watched a compilation of his assists and chances created the other day, and that alone was mind-blowing. His vision and execution is absolutely unreal. And that's without considering the billion goals he's scored.
  • Dougs 12 Oct 2017 10:40:25 83,774 posts
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    Yeah, the impressive thing with Messi for me is that he makes it look so easy. His close control is mesmerising and he just glides past people, then you get to his passing, particularly inside, and the weight is just perfect. Brilliant, brilliant player.
  • THFourteen 12 Oct 2017 10:47:28 46,269 posts
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    Shawcross would sort him out in the first minute of the game.
  • superbob85 12 Oct 2017 10:50:12 7,990 posts
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    Not convinced he would get near him.
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