Union Jack is re-designed

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  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 00:06:22 77,473 posts
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    Here's the new offering, hoping to "reflect a more modern society".

    I'm not bothered personally, the old one was a little staunch, but red, white, blue and black? That's going to fuck the lyrics of a few songs up :)

    Oh, here's the story.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 00:16:41 13-07-2005

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  • morriss 13 Jul 2005 00:07:07 70,911 posts
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    I'm not bothered, but I like it all the same.

    Edited by morriss at 00:06:09 13-07-2005
  • deem 13 Jul 2005 00:08:56 31,641 posts
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  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 00:10:40 77,473 posts
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    deem wrote:
    there aint no black in the union jack!
    Heh, THAT being one song I won't miss.

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  • Fixxxer 13 Jul 2005 00:12:17 1,303 posts
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    What about The Red, The White, The Blue, The Black by Hope of The States?

    That's forward thinking.
  • phAge 13 Jul 2005 00:13:18 24,337 posts
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    Damn... That looks more than a bit fascist. Seriously - that could easily be stencilled on the side of a tank or something, or used as a banner for the Helghast horde.

    Pretty cool, actually...
  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 00:13:58 77,473 posts
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    A fairly big point is that if you flew a Union Jack, people would think of it as a racist statement. That put's an end to that.

    I'm all for it.

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  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:14:19 34,853 posts
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    Hmm so which saint is represented by the black?
  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 00:15:22 77,473 posts
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    St Jason. Patron saint of hairdressers.

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  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:16:07 34,853 posts
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    LOL
  • AaronTurner 13 Jul 2005 00:20:41 7,594 posts
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    Old story, check the date. Just some bullshit geting thrown around the internet right now by BNP knob ends looking to provoke a reaction after the bombings I would presume.
  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 00:25:09 77,473 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    Old story, check the date. Just some bullshit geting thrown around the internet right now by BNP knob ends looking to provoke a reaction after the bombings I would presume.
    Well, bugger me, it is too... Some sites *koff*wincustomize.com*KOFF* Need to check their shit out.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 01:04:12 13-07-2005

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  • morriss 13 Jul 2005 00:29:52 70,911 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    A fairly big point is that if you flew a Union Jack, people would think of it as a racist statement. That put's an end to that.

    I'm all for it.

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  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:31:20 34,853 posts
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    Furbs wrote:
    I think the flag is slowly coming round to being accepted again. Certainly when the major sporting events are on it seems alot more acceptable to have St Georges hanging out your window.

    If more public buildings put the flag up, it would be a huge step forward in reclaiming it. And whilst I used to hate the idea, given the way "recent events" seem to be panning out, I'd be quite happy to support a pledge of allegiance to the country (not the monarchy!) for school kids once a week or so like in the States.
    Wouldn't that be treason? Not messing just wondering.
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:35:28 34,853 posts
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    Which country?
  • morriss 13 Jul 2005 00:36:08 70,911 posts
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    gr8 Britain
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:37:39 34,853 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    gr8 Britain
    Ain't a country, and do you want to completely ignore Northern Ireland?


    Edited by BartonFink at 00:39:16 13-07-2005
  • WoodenSpoon 13 Jul 2005 00:46:10 12,279 posts
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    I wouldn't want to swear alliegence to the flag :/

    Either way, there's no way you'd get that to work in a UK secondary school, there are too many wannabe rebels.
  • morriss 13 Jul 2005 00:54:10 70,911 posts
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    Danes fly their flag all the effing time!

    If there's a sale on, the Danish flag gets put out.

    If it's your birthday, Danish flags everywhere.

    Any celebration of any kind, get the flag out.

    Even when people meet their families/friends at train staions, they all stand there with little flags.

    I don't have a problem with it.



    Edited by morriss at 00:56:28 13-07-2005
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 00:56:00 34,853 posts
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    @Furbs
    Ye see this gets back to what I was originally getting at what country and what flag. You seem to talk about the UK as being England which is totally wrong and as I said I am not sure but wouldn't it be treason or something?

    Edited by BartonFink at 00:55:50 13-07-2005
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 01:10:33 34,853 posts
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    Might have got the wrong end of the stick Furbs it was all the references to England.

    Oh and on the Northern Irish thing it's St. Patrick.

    On the treason thing your head of state is The Queen and I am sure she would not be very impressed with the English, Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish all pledging allegiance to their own respective flags. You are afterall subjects of the Crown. Hence the reference to treason. I am only guessing though. (sorry, Irish ignorance mode here)

    Edited by BartonFink at 01:11:16 13-07-2005
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 01:21:43 34,853 posts
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    Nope constitutionality has nothing to do with it. National anthems are one thing but the original point was about alliegence.
    [edit #2 make up yer mind DB :)] AFAIK you cannot have an alliegence to both your country and the Crown one precludes the other.

    Edited by BartonFink at 01:29:00 13-07-2005
  • Dirtbox 13 Jul 2005 01:24:44 77,473 posts
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    I'm pretty sure it's "queen and country" you swear allegiance to.

    Edit: Nope, looks like you're right....

    I ..... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.

    Members who object to swearing the oath are permitted to make a solemn affirmation:

    I ..... do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 01:25:23 13-07-2005

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  • MetalDog 13 Jul 2005 01:25:54 23,708 posts
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    I've always seen the swearing allegance to the flag thing in the states as one of their more dubious habits. Wouldn't want to see it here, personally. Just as many of us don't want to see children obliged to pray to God in schools, I don't want to see them obliged to make obeisance to a flag, either.

    I have a problem with the whole 'being proud of ones country' thing. We should be proud of it when as a collective, we have done things honourably, decently, bravely. When we have acted otherwise, we should be critical. The problem with the oath-taking in school and we can see this /very/ clearly in the states, is that it encourages the attitude that any critisism is somehow treachery.

    To be proud of a patch of dirt, or a people just because they're /there/ is utter nonsense. If we want our children to be proud of being British, we must act in a manner deserving of it and if we do, it is not just our children who will respect our nation.

    -- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.

  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 01:26:47 34,853 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I'm pretty sure it's "queen and country" you swear allegiance to.
    Edited...again

    Edited by BartonFink at 01:30:55 13-07-2005
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 01:33:09 34,853 posts
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    Very well said MetalDog
  • asphaltcowboy 13 Jul 2005 02:51:21 5,138 posts
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    Bit of trivia for you: It's only called the Union Jack when it's on a boat. The rest of the time, it's called the Union Flag. So I'm told. And despite the fact the news story is really old, I don't really like it. Not quite sure how race comes into even. It's not exactly subtle is it?
  • BartonFink 13 Jul 2005 07:58:49 34,853 posts
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    It's name is derived from the use of the word 'jack' as a diminutive. This word was in used to describe a small flag flown from the small mast mounted on the bowsprit of a ship in the 16th century. By the 17th a small version of the Union flag was flown in the position and was called the Jack, Jack Flag, or the Kings Jack. By mid 17th it was commonly referred to as the Union Jack.
  • Derblington 13 Jul 2005 08:05:46 21,309 posts
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    New flag is a baaad idea. Looks shit too.
  • Grunk 13 Jul 2005 08:34:48 4,718 posts
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    Furbs wrote:
    Yeah its one of the things I really admire about the Canadians. They are nation of migrants (with apologies to any Native American and Innuits who might be reading) but they are really proud of their flag and it is used to give everyone a shared identity or something in common. Not saying you have cultural harmony over there, but it was nice to see people take pride in who they were without being jingostic.

    I thought they put it on display so people don't confuse them with Americans
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