Internet Gaming "celebrities" and their racism (no Gladiators discussion) Page 3

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  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 12 Sep 2017 11:26:59 9,867 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    I'm a bit shocked that so much discussion is required, tbh. It's a simple issue for me: don't be racist, don't be sexist, and don't tolerate people who are. Once you encounter someone who acts like that, there are two tacts you can take: exert some energy in trying to convince them to change, or failing that, cut them out of your life, encourage other people to do the same, and don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life.
    Well good for you, but in case you haven't noticed the "cut them out of your life and ignore them" tactic hasn't worked. If anything it helped make things worse.
    Talking about them on the Eurogamer forum probably ins't going to "work" either though you would think.
  • disusedgenius 12 Sep 2017 11:33:45 8,351 posts
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    Considering most of us have been here for well over a decade and have talked about all manner of nonsense over the years, I'd be rather amazed if discussions on here haven't had some kind effect on us.
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 12 Sep 2017 11:33:49 46,991 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    Talking about them on the Eurogamer forum probably ins't going to "work" either though you would think.
    Well I'd rather do even the tiniest bit to foster the ability to talk about these issues than ignoring them because everyone is obviously against racism right? Because you'd better believe there's plenty of people out there looking to "red pill" the likes of Pewd and are cheering it on because a failure to say something against racism is taken as implicit agreement and acceptance.

    Edited by MrTomFTW at 11:34:25 12-09-2017
  • Jyzzy-Z 12 Sep 2017 11:34:10 2,026 posts
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    I was a bit disappointed that the thread got shitted up. Was some good conversation in there I thought.

    Could have had an 80s/90s nostalgia thread too. Gladiators fact, Jet used to live by me. I assume because the show was filmed at the NIA in Brum, if memory serves me correct.

    I never saw her, though I see her every time I close my eyes.

    Edited by Jyzzy-Z at 11:35:43 12-09-2017
  • craigy Staff 12 Sep 2017 11:34:15 9,142 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    I'm a bit shocked that so much discussion is required, tbh. It's a simple issue for me: don't be racist, don't be sexist, and don't tolerate people who are. Once you encounter someone who acts like that, there are two tacts you can take: exert some energy in trying to convince them to change, or failing that, cut them out of your life, encourage other people to do the same, and don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life.
    Well good for you, but in case you haven't noticed the "cut them out of your life and ignore them" tactic hasn't worked. If anything it helped make things worse.
    I didn't say ignore them, I said "don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life". That's the opposite of ignorance, really.
  • Gearskin 12 Sep 2017 11:34:56 2,990 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
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    H3H3 does not believe that PewDiePie is racist.

    And he is Jewish.
    H3H3 believes PDP is Jewish?
    H3H3 is Jewish. He even posted a video about the whole Nazi thing
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 12 Sep 2017 11:37:36 46,991 posts
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    craigy wrote:
    MrTomFTW wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    I'm a bit shocked that so much discussion is required, tbh. It's a simple issue for me: don't be racist, don't be sexist, and don't tolerate people who are. Once you encounter someone who acts like that, there are two tacts you can take: exert some energy in trying to convince them to change, or failing that, cut them out of your life, encourage other people to do the same, and don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life.
    Well good for you, but in case you haven't noticed the "cut them out of your life and ignore them" tactic hasn't worked. If anything it helped make things worse.
    I didn't say ignore them, I said "don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life". That's the opposite of ignorance, really.
    Doesn't work though. If you don't give the issues oxygen, there's plenty of people who will because they want the likes of PewDiePie with their massive platform to continue to normalise the use of the N-word and "jokes" about murdering Jews. Speak up against it or allow and encourage discussion of those issues, or give your implicit acceptance via your silence.
  • Rivuzu 12 Sep 2017 11:39:04 16,239 posts
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    Listen very carefully, I shall only say zis once;

    Something something Jet something something Panther something something Cilla Black
  • bad09 12 Sep 2017 11:40:05 7,900 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Considering most of us have been here for well over a decade and have talked about all manner of nonsense over the years, I'd be rather amazed if discussions on here haven't had some kind effect on us.
    Speak for yourself. Me and Mr Flibble are fine.....
  • craigy Staff 12 Sep 2017 11:42:24 9,142 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    MrTomFTW wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    I'm a bit shocked that so much discussion is required, tbh. It's a simple issue for me: don't be racist, don't be sexist, and don't tolerate people who are. Once you encounter someone who acts like that, there are two tacts you can take: exert some energy in trying to convince them to change, or failing that, cut them out of your life, encourage other people to do the same, and don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life.
    Well good for you, but in case you haven't noticed the "cut them out of your life and ignore them" tactic hasn't worked. If anything it helped make things worse.
    I didn't say ignore them, I said "don't grant them any oxygen to succeed in life". That's the opposite of ignorance, really.
    Doesn't work though. If you don't give the issues oxygen, there's plenty of people who will because they want the likes of PewDiePie with their massive platform to continue to normalise the use of the N-word and "jokes" about murdering Jews. Speak up against it or allow and encourage discussion of those issues, or give your implicit acceptance via your silence.
    I think we're saying the same thing in different ways, y'know. Probably my poor writing skillz.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Sep 2017 11:50:45 9,345 posts
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    The point isn't to persuade racist people not to be racist. The point is to not let their voice be the loudest. To influence those whose opinions are still being formed.

    And honestly, I don't believe allowing and encouraging the discussion to be derailed was an attempt to starve racists of oxygen. I think you thought it was funny and then backtracked when you realised it might not be.
  • Baihu1983 12 Sep 2017 11:52:39 9,016 posts
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    Speaking of racist... this guy did good

    https://i.imgur.com/9E92QY7.jpg
  • reviewer 12 Sep 2017 11:56:01 4,530 posts
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    Gearskin wrote:
    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Gearskin wrote:
    H3H3 does not believe that PewDiePie is racist.

    And he is Jewish.
    H3H3 believes PDP is Jewish?
    H3H3 is Jewish. He even posted a video about the whole Nazi thing
    Although I don't know what H3H3 is, it doesn't mean they aren't too stupid to know racism.

    1 Jewish person said it's ok so it might just be ok is idiotic.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Sep 2017 12:01:02 9,345 posts
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    reviewer wrote:
    Gearskin wrote:
    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Gearskin wrote:
    H3H3 does not believe that PewDiePie is racist.

    And he is Jewish.
    H3H3 believes PDP is Jewish?
    H3H3 is Jewish. He even posted a video about the whole Nazi thing
    Although I don't know what H3H3 is, it doesn't mean they aren't too stupid to know racism.

    1 Jewish person said it's ok so it might just be ok is idiotic.
    The greatest example of this is probably Milo being gay. It's disastrous as it gives him permission to say deeply harmful things about the LGBT community more or less with immunity.
  • JamboWayOh 12 Sep 2017 12:03:52 1,732 posts
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    I think we can all agree that generally no matter what race, religion, gender or orientation you are it doesn't stop you from being a cunt.
  • craigy Staff 12 Sep 2017 12:05:29 9,142 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    The point isn't to persuade racist people not to be racist. The point is to not let their voice be the loudest. To influence those whose opinions are still being formed.

    And honestly, I don't believe allowing and encouraging the discussion to be derailed was an attempt to starve racists of oxygen. I think you thought it was funny and then backtracked when you realised it might not be.
    No, I still think it was funny, but regardless of that, we're definitely on the same team with regard to the larger issues.
  • craigy Staff 12 Sep 2017 12:07:00 9,142 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    reviewer wrote:
    Gearskin wrote:
    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Gearskin wrote:
    H3H3 does not believe that PewDiePie is racist.

    And he is Jewish.
    H3H3 believes PDP is Jewish?
    H3H3 is Jewish. He even posted a video about the whole Nazi thing
    Although I don't know what H3H3 is, it doesn't mean they aren't too stupid to know racism.

    1 Jewish person said it's ok so it might just be ok is idiotic.
    The greatest example of this is probably Milo being gay. It's disastrous as it gives him permission to say deeply harmful things about the LGBT community more or less with immunity.
    He was a guest on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast a while ago, and I hadn't really ever heard him speak or spent time trying to understand his position, so gave his episode a listen. Never again.
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 12 Sep 2017 12:08:55 46,991 posts
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    Speaking of Milo:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/irma-milo-yiannopoulos-miami-home-destroy-hurricane-alt-right-a7940521.html
  • bad09 12 Sep 2017 12:09:18 7,900 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    I think we can all agree that generally no matter what race, religion, gender or orientation you are it doesn't stop you from being a cunt.
    Course we can but people need others to know they are offended!



    Edited by bad09 at 12:09:31 12-09-2017
  • Rivuzu 12 Sep 2017 12:10:11 16,239 posts
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    In this thread: Mostly angry white middle aged men arguing about what people say online whom they will not go out of their way to watch anyway.

    (Not that I condone the n bomb usage, mind you!)
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Sep 2017 12:20:02 9,345 posts
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    This forum being dominated by white males is indicative of the issues being discussed. Gaming has a huge problem with racism and sexism. IMHO that's what this thread topic should be frankly. This is a wider ongoing discussion.
  • Rhaegyr 12 Sep 2017 12:23:48 3,812 posts
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    We should create a new thread with that topic! Third time's the charm.
  • Gearskin 12 Sep 2017 12:24:28 2,990 posts
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    MrTom is the only female on this forum.
  • JamboWayOh 12 Sep 2017 12:25:44 1,732 posts
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    Mature.
  • bad09 12 Sep 2017 12:26:19 7,900 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    This forum being dominated by white males is indicative of the issues being discussed. Gaming has a huge problem with racism and sexism. IMHO that's what this thread topic should be frankly. This is a wider ongoing discussion.
    Are you all honkys on EG then? :)

    Still, I wouldn't say that is indicative of anything other than a lot of people from other races don't bother with nerdy gaming sites. Certainly in the real world gaming seems enjoyed by everyone, even those pesky women! A few articles and sexist/ racist forum comments or online MP game arseholes doesn't really prove there is this all white women hating gaming vision some seem to have.

    Edited by bad09 at 12:27:09 12-09-2017
  • You-can-call-me-kal 12 Sep 2017 12:35:08 9,345 posts
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    bad09 wrote:
    A few articles and sexist/ racist forum comments or online MP game arseholes doesn't really prove there is this all white women hating gaming vision some seem to have.
    Reductive and extremist informal fallacies. Good stuff.
  • Skirlasvoud 12 Sep 2017 12:35:47 2,622 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    I'm still inclined to think that this pie guy is just trying to be an edgelord rather than being someone who actually hates other races.
    I need the difference explained to me, because I think the edge lord thing precedes racism.

    Since mrTom already broke Godwin's law so elegantly: Hitler was an edgelord. Straight out of the Ww1 army, the dude experimented for years with being edgy. First he joined one of the communist groups being edgy there, then he helped the provisional government being an edgy taddle tale, then he stumbled upon the ultimate edge of anti-semitism and kinda stuck with since that made him the most popular. Skip him being edgy a couple of failed elections and you've a man who starts believing in his own garbage.

    Finding out your edgy remarks makes you popular with the right kind of crowd, I feel is a major motivator to becoming a confident racist.

    Mark my words: if people didn't give Pewds the kind of pushback they've done now, you'd hear him openly discuss Zionist conspiracies on his channels voice chat for the lulz within the year because that's the popular brand he has now invested into, made work and identifies with with all the popularity that comes with it, and none of the opposition.

    It's also the reason why discussion continues to be important.

    Edited by Skirlasvoud at 12:45:49 12-09-2017
  • Tonka 12 Sep 2017 12:48:53 26,047 posts
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    bad09 wrote:
    Still, I wouldn't say that is indicative of anything other than a lot of people from other races don't bother with nerdy gaming sites. Certainly in the real world gaming seems enjoyed by everyone, even those pesky women!
    Why do you think that is? Could the fact that the latest attempt at a grown up discussion anded with the mods posting pictures of 90's pin-ups? Or the comments on any gamergate related thread? Or the constant "More milkers please" posts in GoT? Or how MrTom got called woman in a demeaning way just now?

    Maybe.

    EG isn't exactly welcoming to women. The internet at large isn't so it's actually not a strict EG problem TBH.

    I would like it if that changed. Because, as you say, in the "real world" everyone enjoys games. And talking random shit too.
  • challenge_hanukkah 12 Sep 2017 12:50:48 4,912 posts
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    Remember that awful thread about the revenge porn girl who killed herself?

    Some of the people who were arseholes then are reminding me they're still arseholes now.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 12 Sep 2017 12:52:11 4,092 posts
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    People on here think revenge porn is ok?
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