Uber - good or bad? Page 11

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  • nickthegun 24 Sep 2017 07:51:00 71,635 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Certain people are going to rape no matter what, blaming their source of opportunity isn't going to stop them.
    Well, it might. They wouldn't be locked into a metal box with drunk women a dozen times a night if they were stacking shelves at Tesco.
  • SpaceMonkey77 24 Sep 2017 08:55:59 920 posts
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    I wish Uber & their custom, left in the lurch & not asked if they like Uber well for the future. I hope the petition works for them positively & failing that, Uber should know that their services would still be welcome outside of London, where many people still live & have to rely on less reliable transport that London enjoys, & that in some places closes down, after a certain late hour.

    If Uber were in my current U.K area (east England) & I had the means to use them I would do so, for travel or cool takeaway food. Uber could still make a mint getting people into London from outside of it, as I know that traveling into London as many do each day for work, sometimes there's no alternative to train travel & when there's a delay, many people feel the hurt from it. Something else to think about Uber. Only cities enjoy the best transport for the most part, so you still have room for improvement & betterment. Good luck all.

    Edited by SpaceMonkey77 at 08:56:47 24-09-2017
  • Pierre2k 24 Sep 2017 09:37:37 825 posts
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    For what it's worth, I honestly believe this decision is absolutely nothing to do with safety or rules and 100% to do with bribery and corruption. Might make me sound like I'm sat at home wearing a tin foil hat,, but I genuinely don't see any other reasons for it.

    Fair enough, Uber should be held to account where they don't comply with the rules, but that typically involves warnings and fines, with an opportunity to address the issues. An outright ban is politically motivated, because too many powerful people don't like it. Certainly, if it's anything like Glasgow, most of the rivals are run by gangsters anyway, so it's not like they are all pillars of the community.

    Uber provides a disruptive, but IMO fantastic service, in Ann industry which has plodded along with some of the worst customer service for years. Such a shame to see it banned.
  • chopsen 24 Sep 2017 10:16:29 19,925 posts
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    I like a cheap, convenient taxi service. I consider the increased risk of criminal activity including but not limited to sexual assault due to lack of regulatory oversight an acceptable risk to ensure that. After all, I am not going to get sexually assaulted so why should I worry?

    Furthermore, should I ever somehow be a victim of a crime, or there be a dramatic headline in a newspaper following a crime, committed by an Uber driver, I reserve my right to be first in line for a pitchfork and demand that TfL be held accountable for failing to ensure the safety of London's citizens.

    Yours sincerely,
    An Internet Fuckwit
  • Bichii 24 Sep 2017 10:20:52 97 posts
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    I'll be pissed off if Uber can't continue here. I use it all the time and it saves me tonnes of money.
  • RichieTenenbaum 24 Sep 2017 10:40:26 2,679 posts
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    Uber can continue. They just have to change their practice to obey the law.

    Uber are amongst a group of internet companies whose chief innovation seems to be 'it's like a thing that already exists, but we don't treat employees properly'. From denying that their employees are even employees to not paying sick pay, these companies are just doing what companies have been doing for ages. Privatising the profit, socialising the costs. Sick? The NHS will pay. You can try and claim sick pay from the government.

    I find the petition to restore them remarkable, actually.

    All they need to do is operate under the same rules everyone else does.

    At the moment we petition for cheap services, which means the services we provide need to be cheaper, which drives down our own salaries. Which means we need cheaper services...
  • Psychotext 24 Sep 2017 10:42:56 61,808 posts
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    Pierre2k wrote:
    Fair enough, Uber should be held to account where they don't comply with the rules, but that typically involves warnings and fines, with an opportunity to address the issues.
    They were warned months ago. This is just the natural time to do something about it (not renewing their licence rather than flat out cancelling it).
  • You-can-call-me-kal 25 Sep 2017 12:18:33 9,783 posts
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    Open letter from the UK CEO:



    Best solution all round would obviously be for Uber to sort themselves out and be given a new licence. Hopefully it's a possibility. Although will be interesting to see if they can keep their pricing advantage if they do that, and whether people will still use them if they don't.
  • chopsen 25 Sep 2017 12:22:13 19,925 posts
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    What benefit them over, say, Addison Lee if not the price?
  • You-can-call-me-kal 25 Sep 2017 12:24:13 9,783 posts
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    chopsen wrote:
    What benefit them over, say, Addison Lee if not the price?
    Still tends to be much quicker. I was stuck in Wembley the other week and had both apps racing to get me a cab. Uber was 10 minutes, Addi Lee was 40. They tend not behave like black cabs and hang around areas after concerts or football games and such. They're more of a pre-ordering culture.

    But that's Addi Lee specifically. There's other things around that are basically the same.
  • macmurphy 25 Sep 2017 13:16:43 2,353 posts
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    The best thing about Addison is that if you meet a peng ting called Madison you can use it to take her to a Radisson.
  • minky-kong 25 Sep 2017 13:19:18 13,131 posts
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    Just saw a black cab in Farringdon with two copies of the Sun (naturally) hung on the back window with the headlines "Rapist Uber Driver sentenced to 12 years". Classy.

    Wonder if the driver knew John Worboys?
  • disusedgenius 25 Sep 2017 13:21:20 8,474 posts
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    Considering Uber was at 32 sexual assault offences for a year there's probably more to pick from than that one.

    Edit: Although, looking into it, that's compared to over 110ish for all types of cabs.

    Edited by disusedgenius at 13:26:17 25-09-2017
  • You-can-call-me-kal 25 Sep 2017 13:28:34 9,783 posts
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    Don't forget that a huge part of the problem is Uber not reporting attacks.
  • Mfolf 25 Sep 2017 13:37:15 1,167 posts
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    Do people get sexually attached... and then contact customer services? Is this a thing? I assumed they would contact the police. Seems odd to rely on the company to sort it out. (Not a defence of them to be clear, just trying to understand process here).
  • disusedgenius 25 Sep 2017 13:44:42 8,474 posts
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    Sure, it might depend on the severity off the offence or something, but that is a thing that happens.
  • Mfolf 25 Sep 2017 14:23:20 1,167 posts
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    Jeez, surprised to see that.
  • chopsen 25 Sep 2017 14:33:19 19,925 posts
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    There's a link on their app to report sexual assault.
  • Mfolf 25 Sep 2017 18:08:16 1,167 posts
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    chopsen wrote:
    There's a link on their app to report sexual assault.
    That is incredibly fucked. Bloody hell.
  • mal 25 Sep 2017 20:29:13 28,257 posts
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    Pierre2k wrote:
    Fair enough, Uber should be held to account where they don't comply with the rules, but that typically involves warnings and fines, with an opportunity to address the issues. An outright ban is politically motivated, because too many powerful people don't like it.
    They had the warnings already, which they've completely failed to do anything about. It was this lack of action that led TfL to pull them off the road.

    Or in other words, your tin foil hat is showing.
  • elstoof 25 Sep 2017 20:54:45 18,473 posts
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    Itís not even a ban, is it? Their license simply isnít being renewed, afaik, with 21 days to appeal during which they can continue to operate. Such harsh treatment of the multi million pound corporation from tfl

    Edited by elstoof at 20:56:32 25-09-2017
  • Psychotext 25 Sep 2017 22:40:22 61,808 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Sure, it might depend on the severity off the offence or something, but that is a thing that happens.
    I imagine that some victims might not necessarily want to see the driver jailed / have to go to court... but may very well want the company to deal with them if nothing else.
  • SpaceMonkey77 26 Sep 2017 06:40:34 920 posts
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    Just had thought. Uber have only been around since 2009 so if anyone can bother, check all stats years before they were around in each city, & where they actually are now based & for a statistician or science guy, you might find the grim picture. Correlation? I don't know, go figure it out.

    Having a button on the ap to report any custom grimness is a smart move, though, so well done there, Uber. We'll see how this plays out. Glad they responded in good manner via letter & are working to fix issues.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 26 Sep 2017 07:10:26 9,783 posts
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    That sounds like a good project for you. Make sure you do every city and don't come back until you're done. We're counting on you.
  • Tonka 26 Sep 2017 07:13:27 26,251 posts
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    He's probably been fed the numbers by his PR rep already.
  • macmurphy 26 Sep 2017 07:32:44 2,353 posts
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    In fairness to Uber that would be a really hard stat to track because:

    1) a lot more people use taxis now
    2) some of the people getting touched up by the cab driver would have got assaulted on the bus/walking home.

    I'd be very surprised if someone could prove getting an uber is more risky than walking/the bus.

    Of course that doesn't make it ok when uber drivers do do something wrong, or the company does something shady and tries to conceal assaults.

    But I would have expected Uber generallly to have made it safer for women to have a night out. Please do the math intergalactic simian.
  • drhickman1983 26 Sep 2017 07:47:52 4,931 posts
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    https://www.londonreconnections.com/2017/understanding-uber-not-app/

    No sympathy for Uber. They had a chance to sort their shit out, they didn't, and then are acting like they're being treated unfairly.
  • elstoof 26 Sep 2017 07:51:43 18,473 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:


    I'd be very surprised if someone could prove getting an uber is more risky than walking/the bus.
    The fact that over 1/5 of all reported taxi assaults in the UK happened in an Uber in London sort of proves that getting in an Uber is more risky than any other taxi. Comparing it to the bus or walking is a pointless exercise, might as well compare it to snake wrestling

    Edited by elstoof at 07:53:18 26-09-2017
  • macmurphy 26 Sep 2017 08:00:59 2,353 posts
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    @elstoof

    Not at all. I never used to get black cabs because they were really expensive. I get a lot of Ubers because they're not.

    A lot of people must be the same. So it's conceivable to me that Uber makes London safer for women because it offers an affordable alternative to the bus and walking.

    Now I don't know if the stats will bear that out, but it's very possible. So yes, you do have to compare Uber's to the bus and walking, because that's what it replaces.

    A lot of people are using taxis that would never have dreamed of it before.
  • spamdangled 26 Sep 2017 08:06:44 30,811 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:

    2) some of the people getting touched up by the cab driver would have got assaulted on the bus/walking home.
    I'm almost afraid to ask, but what makes you say this? It seems disturbingly close to the "asking for it" mentality.
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