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  • HarryPalmer 11 Oct 2017 13:36:08 5,218 posts
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    Yeah, Luv was bad ass.
  • elstoof 11 Oct 2017 19:01:52 18,494 posts
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    Pretty good film, donít think Iíll need to watch it again though. I donít get the love for Gosling as this wonderfully expressive actor, even though I like watching him. He just looks like a man whoís walked into a room and is trying to remember what heís in there for, every single scene in every film heís ever done
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 11 Oct 2017 19:31:56 47,070 posts
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    I saw this today and enjoyed it a great deal. I appreciate that it was paced not entirely unlike the original, where they took the time to build the atmosphere and place of the world and it's inhabitants, but at the same time it never felt overly long or slow.
  • JiveHound 11 Oct 2017 19:42:58 8,805 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Pretty good film, donít think Iíll need to watch it again though. I donít get the love for Gosling as this wonderfully expressive actor, even though I like watching him. He just looks like a man whoís walked into a room and is trying to remember what heís in there for, every single scene in every film heís ever done
    Haha! Yeah, he does confused very well for sure.
  • JoeBlade 11 Oct 2017 19:59:47 4,093 posts
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    @JiveHound Very apt considering his character was pretty confused throughout almost the entire film: his relation with Joi, being at once very high up and at the very bottom of society, existentialism in general, thinking he's Rachael's kid then finding out he isn't and so on

    That said, I thought he was pretty good in this irrespective of doing a good confused. Haven't seen any of his other work though.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 20:10:26 10,320 posts
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    He's was born to play the role of confused robot man. I thought he was great.
  • ZuluHero 11 Oct 2017 20:11:55 5,828 posts
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    Was he born though? ;)

    Edited by ZuluHero at 20:30:38 11-10-2017
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 20:19:03 10,320 posts
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    If he was really a replicant his eyes would been on straight.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 20:24:03 10,320 posts
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    Also I take it we're not spoilering now.

    I liked the theory that Deckard was specifically designed to fall in love with and impregnate Rachel and that Tyrell set up their meeting. Adds another layer to the original.
  • challenge_hanukkah 11 Oct 2017 20:30:04 5,065 posts
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    I thought the bee on the hand was a nice touch.

    Overall I really enjoyed it, which is surprising as everything is always shit, all of of the time.
  • ZuluHero 11 Oct 2017 20:32:26 5,828 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    Also I take it we're not spoilering now.
    Sorry! :)
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 11 Oct 2017 20:42:57 10,320 posts
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    That wasn't aimed at you, I just said that because I couldn't be arsed to spoiler the next sentence. We're passed the cut off point now anyway.
  • anephric 11 Oct 2017 21:25:31 2,700 posts
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    Jyzzy-Z wrote:
    I like Leto. He's no Roy Batty, but he was more like the Tyrell figure than the mental replicant, that role fell to Luv, who I thought was really good, particularly the scene in the chief's office.
    Tyrell is fairly ambiguous, Wallace isn't - he's just there to be a Big Bad chasing the kid. Same with Luv: Batty is at least relatable with (in the way you can sympathise with Satan in Paradise Lost) and in the end he's essentially more of a protagonist than Deckard: Luv is just Wallace's monster, there's not a lot to her more than that.
  • rudedudejude 11 Oct 2017 23:01:35 2,337 posts
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    Saw it tonight, beautiful piece of cinematography, sound, visuals, and a lovely pace. Gorgeous :)

    I imagine it's like the Titanfall 2 of movies.

    Edited by rudedudejude at 23:12:17 11-10-2017
  • JoeBlade 11 Oct 2017 23:06:52 4,093 posts
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    That's one of the few things I'm struggling with: Wallace says something that suggests we enticed you to fall in love with her (Rachael) in one of the talks with Deckard.
    The we part eludes me; Wallace seems too young to have been part of Tyrell's corporation or schemes. So what is he alluding to?


    And yes, I'll keep spoilering, deal with it.
  • mal 12 Oct 2017 00:31:51 28,311 posts
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    Thanks, as I said earlier I won't be getting to see the film until early next month. I guess I should just keep out of this thread 'till then, but it's hard, y'know?
  • ZuluHero 12 Oct 2017 00:43:17 5,828 posts
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    @JoeBlade

    After Tyrell was killed his corporation collapsed and Wallace, with a new/rival corp, bought up/acquired all of Tyrells assets. I don't recall him saying "we" but he might have been vicariously taking credit though Tyrell'work.

    That would fit, given that he both admired and was jealous of Tyrell's knowledge and tech.
  • nowthenfella 12 Oct 2017 01:24:03 54 posts
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    The wallace hq literally towered above the old tyrell corp yet he could only walk in his shadow. It showed as much with the flawed Rachel duplicate. He wanted to be a god but could not match the genius of tyrell and his experiment.
  • nowthenfella 12 Oct 2017 01:44:27 54 posts
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    also fair play to seemingly build a sequel on this one line

    Edited by nowthenfella at 01:45:07 12-10-2017

    Edited by nowthenfella at 01:56:01 12-10-2017
  • shamblemonkee 12 Oct 2017 13:28:29 17,520 posts
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    This was visually stunning and technically great but I'm not sure that I enjoyed the story.

    Wallace's motivation didn't make much sense to me.
  • Blurp 12 Oct 2017 15:12:59 970 posts
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    His motivation was quite straightforward to me. Find out the secret on making replicant babies so he can make more money? I think? Or maybe he wanted to just play God. He was mister stereotypical evil man.
  • shamblemonkee 12 Oct 2017 15:21:13 17,520 posts
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    But babies take up more resource. Gotta raise em. It was weird.
  • GarlVinland 12 Oct 2017 15:42:05 2,066 posts
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    I thought it was your bog standard God complex. Just listen to the way he talks! Hated him.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 12 Oct 2017 15:49:32 10,320 posts
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    He explained it. He wanted to expand humanity throughout space. He couldn't make enough replicants to do it so them erm replicating would allow him to do it.
  • Tomo 12 Oct 2017 15:55:06 15,544 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    But babies take up more resource. Gotta raise em. It was weird.
    Not sure they'd be hand-raised by Wallace. Probably some horrible baby replicant factory where they're pumped out and grown in highly-optimsed conditions.

    Or, you hand-raise enough to adulthood so that the whole cycle becomes self-sufficient.

    Seemed like a plausible motivation to me.
  • elstoof 12 Oct 2017 16:04:22 18,494 posts
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    I found it hard to believe that a corporation big and powerful enough to colonise dozens of other planets for humanity to inhabit is struggling with capacity/resources to make enough replicants. There certainly seems to be enough to justify employing specific Blade runners to catch the small percentage of rogue ones

    Edited by elstoof at 16:05:01 12-10-2017
  • shamblemonkee 12 Oct 2017 16:16:16 17,520 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    He explained it. He wanted to expand humanity throughout space. He couldn't make enough replicants to do it so them erm replicating would allow him to do it.
    I understood what was said. It was the theory that made me go ..errrr.

    Overall minor but there were a few things like that which stopped me loving it.

    Edited by shamblemonkee at 16:16:50 12-10-2017
  • HarryPalmer 12 Oct 2017 16:36:46 5,218 posts
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    There are A LOT of plot holes and general things that aren't particularly logical.

    I felt there was too much foreshadowing, things happening so that other things that happened later were justified or had more impact. And also it tried too hard to link to the original, which was unnecessary imo.

    The bit at the end with Rachel was just cringeworthy and fairly badly done. You have the DNA - how do you get the eyes wrong? Let alone that the actress/CGI puppet looked and sounded nothing like her.

    I like it, and there are some truly stunning things in it, but I also think its a bit of a missed opportunity.
  • elstoof 12 Oct 2017 17:37:24 18,494 posts
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    Handy they had a Rachel clone on hand ready and waiting for when they found Deckard who they werenít actually looking for anyway
  • anephric 12 Oct 2017 17:56:51 2,700 posts
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    I thought it was Sean Young doing the voice as Young Rachael?
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