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  • Ror 12 Jan 2017 23:45:14 16,260 posts
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    Mike Laidlaw talks a little about the cancelled Exalted Marches DLC for DAII.

    Also, I realised today that Ciri in The Witcher 3 is voiced by the same VA as female Hawke.
  • DanB24 12 Jan 2017 23:50:28 5,346 posts
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    That's interesting info indeed from Mike. :)
  • Ror 13 Jan 2017 00:00:55 16,260 posts
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    A shame, could've been really interesting, considering the importance of Exalted Marches throughout the history of Thedas. At least we know we have a hell of a set up for the next game though.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 13 Jan 2017 00:13:30 4,242 posts
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    It's a shame they didn't have another big expansion to DA2. I still have a big soft spot for that game. I liked the concept of being in a single city, becoming familiar with its locations and characters and seeing it evolve over the (in-game) years. Especially the way all the threads tied into the ending.

    Obviously it suffers a terrible reputation for all the short cuts that were taken making it (re-used dungeons mainly) but its an interesting game that probably deserves more love than it receives.

    I think it some ways it might be my favourite in the series.
  • H1ggyLTD 13 Jan 2017 00:20:14 7,498 posts
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    I loved it.
  • Ror 13 Jan 2017 00:32:38 16,260 posts
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    I really enjoyed it too, though I did find the cut and paste dungeon design a bit wearying. Not enough to sour the experience, or anything.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 13 Jan 2017 00:37:45 4,242 posts
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    I think it had the most satisfying ending/closing act of the series which is probably why I rate it so highly. Plus I played through it in a bank holiday weekend long binge so it never had time to drag like parts of DA:I seemed to.
  • Dombat 13 Jan 2017 00:48:55 1,137 posts
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    I'm playing through DA2 now and I'm quite enjoying it so far. I certainly like the more political story.

    The copy and paste level design hasn't quite made itself that apparent yet but I'm doing pretty much all quests so I'm sure it will bother me later. It's funny how much of a hard time people gave Bioware for that when the more widely praised original Mass Effect had the exact same problem outside of the main story missions.

    Edited by Dombat at 00:50:19 13-01-2017
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 13 Jan 2017 00:57:34 4,242 posts
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    I guess maybe its easier to suspend disbelief that a moonbase might have a standardised layout than a cave. But then I think Mass Effect is a stronger series anyway so maybe people are just more forgiving of it because the highs are so high.
  • Dombat 13 Jan 2017 07:19:12 1,137 posts
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    Yeah, the main story missions in ME are great to be fair.
  • Skirlasvoud 13 Jan 2017 08:40:31 2,799 posts
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    I will carry the motion of DA2 being sorts of alright.

    DA:origins was lovely, but quite the jaunt. All the different parts didn't feel like the came together as well as they could have. Felt a bit crotchety too, being archaic and old fashioned for the sake of it.
    DA2 on the other hand, really did feel like a wonderfully self-contained box of candy, clearly presenting all its chocolates in clear order. Shame about the environments, but when it comes to character development and battle, it had a rewarding intensity to it. The interesting way the story was presented, a family and a city, made it feel novel..,

    DA:I... Couldn't even get past the first the first few zones. It had the ropey, disheveled progression of the first, without any of the charm. The first felt like an old man, doing what old men do. Rambly, but interesting because Grandpas have an overarching charm to them, a feeling to them, even if their individual stories make little sense.

    Inquisition was like that same grandpa in a 20 year old's body, still rambling, but with none of the crotchety charm. Without the old-times atmosphere of the first, all the new ideas did nothing for me. Couldn't care less about what was happening. Add to that huge, empty tracks of land and it lost me.

    Add to that, Witcher 3 and im emberassed I even bought Inquisition. Horrible waste of time.

    Looking back, I actually think DA2 was the best one in the series.

    Edited by Skirlasvoud at 08:41:08 13-01-2017
  • Phattso 13 Jan 2017 10:32:24 21,816 posts
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    Skirlasvoud wrote:
    DA:origins was lovely, but quite the jaunt. All the different parts didn't feel like the came together as well as they could have. Felt a bit crotchety too, being archaic and old fashioned for the sake of it.
    For the sake of it?! It was supposed to be a resurgence of the classic CRPGs that died out with Baldur's Gate. If anything it wasn't as old fashioned as it should have been.

    I've just ploughed 80 hours into Pillars of Eternity over Christmas (combination of illness and holiday) and it shits over any 'modern' RPG in every sense.

    To dismiss that style of play as "old fashioned for the sake of it" is a real shame, to me. I loved DA:origins. Amazing game. Amazing world. Everything that came afterwards was console friendly shit to me. Modern for the sake of it.

    SEE? I CAN DO IT TOO! ;)
  • Tryhard 13 Jan 2017 12:51:58 12,019 posts
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    DA: Origins did point back to the golden days, was easy to sink into and get lost in. Loved every minute of.

    DA:2 was a struggle to get through.

    DA: Inquisition was sold on a quarter of the way through.
  • Skirlasvoud 14 Jan 2017 04:28:50 2,799 posts
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    @Phattso

    Hehehe. I'm playing Tyranny and having a blast with it. Loved Planetscape Torment. Don't get me wrong, I like a good old fashioned CRPG, but I just don't like it if they don't evolve the setting beyond what Origins managed, while Tyranny and Torment showed you can both be interesting AND a CRPG.

    You've got your dwarves, elves, global threat, background story and trope filled journey in Origins and that's about it. They did a few interesting things with the races, but none of it broke the mold in any serious way in tone, telling, mechanic or weight.


    DA2 changed the formula, Inquisition fell on its head trying to get me interested in the evolution of a setting that was never remarkable to begin with.

    Maybe Old Fashioned for the sake of it was the wrongly worded. Origins played it too safe to be best in the series, is what I mean.
  • Rodderz 14 Jan 2017 11:47:59 2,875 posts
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    Dombat wrote:
    I'm playing through DA2 now and I'm quite enjoying it so far. I certainly like the more political story.

    The copy and paste level design hasn't quite made itself that apparent yet but I'm doing pretty much all quests so I'm sure it will bother me later. It's funny how much of a hard time people gave Bioware for that when the more widely praised original Mass Effect had the exact same problem outside of the main story missions.
    DA2 was a pretty solid game and even though I was disappointed by the identikit dungeon design, I thought the story and characters were pretty good.

    With regards to your point about Mass Effect 1 getting an easier ride with its similar buildings etc, I think that is purely down to it being the first game in the series, whereas DA2 was a sequel and people expected more. Funnily enough, there is variety in some of the DA2 locations, but the dungeon design was of a glaringly repetitive cookie cutter nature, with certain doors blocked up in some parts to take you on a different path through the exact same surroundings etc. If I remember, they were also quite grey/brown environments too.

    Perhaps most frustratingly, if the game had been given another 12 months they could have added some variety and the complaints would never have arisen, at least around that issue. But EA were in control by then and you sense they were desperate to greater commercialise BioWare's output to cash in on their investment in the studio.
  • Phattso 14 Jan 2017 11:56:46 21,816 posts
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    Skirlasvoud wrote:
    Maybe Old Fashioned for the sake of it was the wrongly worded. Origins played it too safe to be best in the series, is what I mean.
    It's a matter of degree then - fair enough if that's how you see it. I thought it did some fairly interesting things with the setting, shaking it up in interesting ways. You hand wave "a few interesting things with the races" and skirt over the fairly deep rooted racism it explores throughout the game - for me a first in games of that type. Then there are the interesting and morally ambiguous party members, the epic locations, the lore, etc. etc.

    It was intended to be the first in a series, and for me Origins setup a world I really wanted to explore. The problem is, in the race to consolification, they threw the nuanced combat out of the window by DA2 and had completely shit the bed by DA:I. The world was still there, but my window into it had changed beyond recognition.

    I'm not suggesting that DA2 or DA:I won't be loved by some, just that they're barely in the same genre as the first one (which for me already made far too many compromises for console players, especially as it had been a big play for the PC crowd from early doors and then turned out to have had console aspirations all along). Hence I thought 2 and DA:I shit the bed somewhat, because they weren't what I was looking for.

    See also, to varying degrees, ME2 (which I still managed to love regardless) and ME3 (which I'm indifferent to) after wanting to have the babies of ME1.

    Actually, I'm spotting a trend here... ;)

    Edited by Phattso at 11:57:30 14-01-2017
  • Dombat 14 Jan 2017 12:12:25 1,137 posts
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    I have to point out that I went into DA2 with low expectations and it feels very watered down and streamlined compared to more traditional CRPGs. I don't mind it for what it is though, not every RPG has to be deep and complex.

    Also, while I enjoyed Origins I'm not all that invested in the Dragon Age lore. I can understand the disappointment at the time that the series deviated from the CRPG resurgence it was supposed to be, but since Origins was released I discovered the Witcher series and the wave of Kickstarter RPGs happened.

    Edited by Dombat at 12:28:33 14-01-2017
  • H1ggyLTD 14 Jan 2017 12:26:11 7,498 posts
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    I think 2 started a bit ropey. But as has been said - the ten year political development of this town was something a bit different.

    And the point i often make, is that it's a bad do if developers aren't allowed to tell a smaller scale story within a larger world. It can't always be a cataclysmic trilogy.

    I'd have no trouble if Mass Effect did something similar.
  • Baihu1983 14 Jan 2017 13:46:44 9,155 posts
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    Bought 2 for my nephew to pay when he stayed round but never played it myself and it took a couple years for me to try DA and just as long to get into it!

    But will definitely play 2 when its BC and I need to finish the DLC for the first
  • Ror 14 Jan 2017 14:05:31 16,260 posts
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    H1ggyLTD wrote:
    And the point i often make, is that it's a bad do if developers aren't allowed to tell a smaller scale story within a larger world. It can't always be a cataclysmic trilogy.
    Yep, spot on. Can't always be about escalation, and I said the same thing about ME:A a while back when someone wondered how they were going to top the galaxy-ending threat of the Reapers. They don't need to, nor do I really want them to. Granted, they've given themselves an out by moving to a different galaxy, but the point stands, I think.
  • Phattso 14 Jan 2017 14:08:24 21,816 posts
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    It's a fair point. I think Dragon Age: Inquisition sidestepped it nicely by not being called Dragon Age 3. DA2 fucked that by bearing little resemblance to its immediate forebear and not being as well produced yet being named as a sequel. It deserved the criticism. That doesn't mean you can't like it and enjoy it, but you can at least see where people were coming from I'd hope?
  • ubergine 15 Jan 2017 01:44:54 7,431 posts
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    Couldn't like DA2. Not the art direction, not the combat, not the voiced protagonist, not the story, not the repeat dungeons, the UI, the inability to change armour, all the systems, the box art; I can't think of a single element of if that wasn't an awful decision in my opinion. It was like they threw out anything good about Origins and doubled down on its flaws, to build a raft down a river of shit game.
  • robthehermit 15 Jan 2017 10:56:18 6,125 posts
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    Looking back, I really liked DA2. Definitely going to play through again when it becomes BC.
  • Darth_Flibble 15 Jan 2017 12:31:44 2,808 posts
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    DA2 shorter development cycle really hurt the game but I felt some of the changes were made to make it appeal to the more "casual" audience who hated Orgins, who just wanted to smash on the attack button like they were playing some koei game. Put a inventory screen with armour slots and some will give up on a game.

    Was Inquisition suppose to be a MMO at some point? remembering reading or hearing something like that. it would explain the MMO style side quests and the massive open areas with little to do
  • Armoured_Bear 22 Jan 2017 22:55:44 20,366 posts
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    Bah, started this on PS4 tonight but the frame rate is really annoying me, think I'll have to get the PC version despite Origin :-(
  • TOOTR 17 Mar 2017 12:52:58 10,399 posts
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    Best played in small doses this one. But enjoying it - it's like comfort food.
  • JiveHound 31 Mar 2017 11:56:58 8,792 posts
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    With all the Mass Effect hullabaloo I thought I'd finally have a decent go of this being as it's been on my hard drive since Destiny ruined all the games I bought back then. (I may also give Mordor a proper go too next).

    After another brief abandonment I woke up today feeling like pushing further into the Hinterlands. I won't go into why I dropped it this time (see the abandoned thread if curious) other than to say coming off of Zelda into a very mmo like experience was not very flattering on this.

    And yet, the levelling and combat loop must have planted a seed and I did put a lot of time and effort into my lanky Ripley esque elf just to drop her.

    So It's still about as enthralling as drying paint in a lot of regards but there seems to be just a little bit of that classic Bioware world building, just spread very thin. Not all side quests are created equal, of that fact it is abundantly clear here.

    I have no idea whether I'll last the distance but I feel I should at least get to where it's generally accepted as getting good.
  • JiveHound 31 Mar 2017 11:57:52 8,792 posts
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    TOOTR wrote:
    Best played in small doses this one. But enjoying it - it's like comfort food.
    I see what you mean with this. You can play the Hinterlands bit in a not entirely unpleasant malaise.
  • ubergine 1 Apr 2017 09:23:17 7,431 posts
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    Virtually every single part of this game is more interesting than The Hinterlands.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 1 Apr 2017 14:25:15 4,242 posts
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    Hinterlands is bland and probably too big but at least it's not the endless empty nothing the desert zones felt like
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