Kids playing violent games - what do you honestly do?!

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  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 10:53:17 5,184 posts
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    Question: kids playing violent games and to what extent, what do you do?

    I played violent games when I was young and it didn't harm me, but graphics wasn't as great as they are today. You shot at pixels, not models based in real people.

    You're 13 year old comes back from school 'all the kids are playing GTA/COD, can I get it please?' - what's the answer?
  • kalel 5 Apr 2014 10:56:24 86,917 posts
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    The answer is for everyone to be better parents collectively.
  • Madder-Max 5 Apr 2014 10:59:36 11,640 posts
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    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'

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  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 11:01:46 5,184 posts
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    Madder-Max wrote:
    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'
    You just corrected my grammar after that first line?

    Also, you need to calm down.
  • kalel 5 Apr 2014 11:02:40 86,917 posts
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    As individuals you can only do so much, unless you lock your kids up at home. Hence my original answer.
  • BTBAM 5 Apr 2014 11:02:51 1,559 posts
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    I have this almost every day. The children (boys) in my class mostly play Call of Duty. A couple have played GTA V to the point they write stories with 'Michael, Trevor and Franklin' in them and it's pretty much all they talk about. A hell of a lot of girls play Minecraft, especially 10 years old+ and they absolutely adore it.

    Some children especially are already becoming proper gaming geeks and I can talk at great length about a lot of games and discuss things we like/don't like. I wouldn't say the children in my class display any greater predication for violence than when I was their age and playing Dizzy.

    To be honest, I like to watch Newsround in my class and the violence in real life actually shocks me sometimes (it shouldn't) and I know it can be shocking for them too. I think if I educate them to be sensible, and I also talk about the harm caused by violence in a way that gives them a real opportunity to reflect, and parents do too and they can withstand the real-life violence then it isn't a problem whatever the age. I would never say that to the children, I do discourage them from playing these games as it is not my place to undermine parents, but I certainly don't get up in arms about games and children outside of the classroom. Some of my colleagues feel passionately about the issue but they aren't gamers and have believed a lot of what they read.
  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 11:03:01 5,184 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    The answer is for everyone to be better parents collectively.
    Oh, I agree, I just wondered on 'gamers' opinions on the issue.

    I bet most people here played an 18 rated game underage.
  • Fake_Blood 5 Apr 2014 11:03:40 4,165 posts
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    All the consoles have parental controls.
    Honestly I'm more worried about kids watching some borderline rape porn stuff and having messed up views on what normal relations are like.
  • OptimusPube 5 Apr 2014 11:04:26 2,942 posts
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    Madder-Max wrote:
    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'
    Bullshit I call on this, it all depends on your experiences, I wouldn't let my youngest play GTA but my eldest (nearly 15) is mature enough to play them IMO. Age doesn't = stupidity.

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  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 11:04:28 5,184 posts
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    BTBAM wrote:
    I have this almost every day. The children (boys) in my class mostly play Call of Duty. A couple have played GTA V to the point they write stories with 'Michael, Trevor and Franklin' in them and it's pretty much all they talk about. A hell of a lot of girls play Minecraft, especially 10 years old+ and they absolutely adore it.

    Some children especially are already becoming proper gaming geeks and I can talk at great length about a lot of games and discuss things we like/don't like. I wouldn't say the children in my class display any greater predication for violence than when I was their age and playing Dizzy.

    To be honest, I like to watch Newsround in my class and the violence in real life actually shocks me sometimes (it shouldn't) and I know it can be shocking for them too. I think if I educate them to be sensible, and I also talk about the harm caused by violence in a way that gives them a real opportunity to reflect, and parents do too and they can withstand the real-life violence then it isn't a problem whatever the age. I would never say that to the children, I do discourage them from playing these games as it is not my place to undermine parents, but I certainly don't get up in arms about games and children outside of the classroom. Some of my colleagues feel passionately about the issue but they aren't gamers and have believed a lot of what they read.
    Really interesting and good post, thanks for that.
  • vijay_UK 5 Apr 2014 11:05:07 2,104 posts
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    What do you do? Join in, explain it's just a bit of fun and it's only a game.
  • Madder-Max 5 Apr 2014 11:10:14 11,640 posts
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    OptimusPube wrote:
    Madder-Max wrote:
    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'
    Bullshit I call on this, it all depends on your experiences, I wouldn't let my youngest play GTA but my eldest (nearly 15) is mature enough to play them IMO. Age doesn't = stupidity.
    Its relative. Mine are 7 and 10 and I don't let them anywhere near GTAV and we play the occasional private botmatch on blops or ghosts but that's supervised and not online.

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  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 11:11:49 5,184 posts
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    Madder-Max wrote:
    OptimusPube wrote:
    Madder-Max wrote:
    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'
    Bullshit I call on this, it all depends on your experiences, I wouldn't let my youngest play GTA but my eldest (nearly 15) is mature enough to play them IMO. Age doesn't = stupidity.
    Its relative. Mine are 7 and 10 and I don't let them anywhere near GTAV and we play the occasional private botmatch on blops or ghosts but that's supervised and not online.
    Well I think it's irresponsible to let a 7 year old play a FPS.
  • bad09 5 Apr 2014 11:12:04 5,783 posts
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    The answer is explain to your child the difference between entertainment and real life so it won't even matter if they play a violent game.

    This whole "oh the poor children!" is just more fear from dusty old people fearing the latest entertainment medium and largely pointless.
  • bad09 5 Apr 2014 11:14:29 5,783 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:

    Well I think it's irresponsible to let a 7 year old play a FPS.
    Define "irresponsible". You honestly telling me someone is a bad parent simply for letting their child consume entertainment media?

    Human beings are so much more complex than a government entertainment recommended age rating. :)

    Edited by bad09 at 11:16:02 05-04-2014
  • Trafford 5 Apr 2014 11:15:20 5,733 posts
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    I tell mine that CoD and GTA are a pile of crap and show them the good stuff.
  • DiddlerDo 5 Apr 2014 11:16:27 1,421 posts
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    Wait, isn't letsgo the one obsessed with people dying? Hardly a great advert.
  • LetsGo 5 Apr 2014 11:18:54 5,184 posts
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    bad09 wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:

    Well I think it's irresponsible to let a 7 year old play a FPS.
    Define "irresponsible". You honestly telling me someone is a bad parent simply for letting their child consume entertainment media?

    Human beings are so much more complex than a government entertainment recommended age rating. :)
    I think that a 7 year old is still quite impressionable, and I wouldn't let him or her play a game where you shoot people with guns and they die.

    Or you stab them to death with a knife.
  • Syrette 5 Apr 2014 11:19:12 43,292 posts
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    Chelsea r shit

  • OptimusPube 5 Apr 2014 11:21:01 2,942 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    Madder-Max wrote:
    OptimusPube wrote:
    Madder-Max wrote:
    No fuck off is the answer!

    Age ratings exist for a very good reasonand as a parent you have to make a decision on your own.

    Oh and its 'weren't' and 'your'
    Bullshit I call on this, it all depends on your experiences, I wouldn't let my youngest play GTA but my eldest (nearly 15) is mature enough to play them IMO. Age doesn't = stupidity.
    Its relative. Mine are 7 and 10 and I don't let them anywhere near GTAV and we play the occasional private botmatch on blops or ghosts but that's supervised and not online.
    Well I think it's irresponsible to let a 7 year old play a FPS.
    I agree, I wouldn't let my youngest (10 years old) play a fps or anything violent related, it's just irresponsible.

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    You better beware.
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  • FWB 5 Apr 2014 11:23:55 44,209 posts
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    Doesn't current research not suggest that much of what you will be like is genetic and that what parents do (as opposed to what they are) really has a limited say it what their children will become?

    Not that I'd be comfortable with a young child of mine chainsawing someone in the face.
  • kalel 5 Apr 2014 11:27:19 86,917 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Doesn't current research not suggest that much of what you will be like is genetic and that what parents do (as opposed to what they are) really has a limited say it what their children will become?

    Not that I'd be comfortable with a young child of mine chainsawing someone in the face.
    It's all theory. There is no control experiment that can be done with children, so we'll never ever know he answer to the nature vs nurture question.
  • iancognito 5 Apr 2014 11:31:12 1,214 posts
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    Don't think games had age ratings when I was under 18. I know I wouldn't have been 18 when I saw my first 18 film though.
  • bad09 5 Apr 2014 11:31:22 5,783 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:

    I think that a 7 year old is still quite impressionable, and I wouldn't let him or her play a game where you shoot people with guns and they die.

    Or you stab them to death with a knife.
    Impressionable? What you think they'll think killing is OK? The parents job is to help them understand the differences.

    Age doesn't matter anyway it's the understanding of the person consuming it. If a child of 7 understands what videogames are should you still deny them access because of some perceived age limit at which we all apparently understand the concept of entertainment?
  • kalel 5 Apr 2014 11:35:43 86,917 posts
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    It's not just about kids copying games. It's about conceptual stuff. Games feature torture, rape, religious fundamentalism, genocide, racism, drug taking etc etc. these are not things you should be subjecting a seven year old to at a conceptual level, it's irresponsible.

    If you think the solution is simply to help kids understand the difference between games and reality, you're massively missing he whole crux of the issue.
  • PazJohnMitch 5 Apr 2014 11:37:24 7,997 posts
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    @iancognito

    Depends how old you are?

    Mortal Kombat 2 was a 15 and it was released when I was 14. It is the only time I remember wanting a game with an age rating.
  • FWB 5 Apr 2014 11:41:13 44,209 posts
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    I think adult rated games now are more than just violence. Violence exists across all ratings. Tower Defense games are full of it. It's about the level of it and the type of violent crime. Wolfenstein and Doom had me shooting Hitler and zombies in the face, but I wasn't smashing a pickax into their skull or shagging and then beating them.
  • THFourteen 5 Apr 2014 11:43:19 33,174 posts
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    I got in massive trouble when my parents caught me playing leisure suit Larry when I was 13.

    Well I actually got caught because I gave it to a friend who's dad caught him and he dobbed me in.

    Still haven't forgiven him

    Wanker.

    I had to pretend I didn't know what it was when some older boy at school gave it to me.
  • bad09 5 Apr 2014 11:46:17 5,783 posts
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    @kalel

    Well obviously the subject matter contained within the game matters greatly and that's where the parenting kicks in but Letsgo said FPS, as in the genre. a bit of shooty shooty isn't going to hurt anyone.

    Mind you my little hates FPS anyway, when she sees me playing Titanfall shes pipes up now "Daddy turn the boring game off I don't like that one" :)

    Even then though if the child understands what it's seeing I don't see an issue (obviously 7 is a little young in that dsiscussion on some of your examples!). I understood the genre of horror from the age 5 or 6 and was watching films like Evil Dead before the age of 10. Shocking to some but I was well aware of the process and what horror films are there to do and even how the effects were made.

    Personally I think people have become to hung up on age itself with entertainment, probably due to age ratings ironically. they are not there as an "hey it's OK you understand now! guide but many people seemed to have run with that over the years.
  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2014 11:49:12 59,425 posts
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    DiddlerDo wrote:
    Wait, isn't letsgo the one obsessed with people dying? Hardly a great advert.
    Hah, was going to say the same thing. 'Didn't do me any harm' might be a bit optimistic in his case.

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