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  • TheSaint 10 Jan 2014 10:33:39 14,317 posts
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    Did anyone watch this? Have to admit that it totally passed me by but all the controversy is tempting me to look it up on 4OD.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/thousands-sign-petition-urging-channel-4-to-drop-benefits-street-9047223.html
  • Latin 10 Jan 2014 10:44:10 3,618 posts
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    I watched it, there were both good and bad representations of people on the street...

    People complaining will say it comes down to editing and a political agenda, which is probably true to a large extent.

    However when one of the characters is a fully qualified PT and someone who, on the very same day of being released from prison, goes and steals £200 worth of clothing, you can understand the outrage as well.

    It's definitely NOT representative of the vast majority of benefits claimants, who I believe are pensioners, but then what did people expect? No-one is going to watch a programme about a bunch of pensioners sitting at home... And that's what matters to the TV producers! Ratings...
  • TheSaint 10 Jan 2014 10:47:06 14,317 posts
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    Worth watching or not?
  • StixxUK 10 Jan 2014 10:54:00 7,247 posts
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    The whole point of the programme was to entertain people by enraging them. Pretty irresponsible business to be in, but nothing new.
  • Latin 10 Jan 2014 11:02:05 3,618 posts
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    @TheSaint Might as well, next week they introduce the immigrant family so the shit show on twitter should be enetertaining
  • Trafford 10 Jan 2014 11:05:02 5,739 posts
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    The producer of the show was on yesterdays Newsnight. He admitted that despite working on the show for nearly 2 years, they only settled on its title a month or so ago. And obviously the residents had no idea of the shows real agenda.
    I can live without Poverty porn to be honest.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2014 11:09:08 67,302 posts
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/benefits-street-a-healthy-media-would-stand-up-to-the-powerful-and-wealthy-ours-targets-the-poor-and-voiceless-9046773.html

    Outstanding article.
  • midnight_walker 10 Jan 2014 11:51:35 1,949 posts
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    I watched it and got annoyed, because the majority of people on that street are scrounging scumbags who moan about how annoying it is that the government don't pay them enough for sitting on their fat arses all day long. A couple are out and out thieves. I don't know how fucking stupid you have to be to plot and admit to theft on camera, but it happened. I'm not sure why it's so wrong to be annoyed at that kind of behaviour either.

    The 50p man was awesome though.

    Edited by midnight_walker at 11:59:24 10-01-2014
  • Sir_Walter_Rally 10 Jan 2014 12:12:15 960 posts
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    This was awesome, must say.

    Loved that the narrator also called them black Dee and white Dee.

    Don't know of any backlash, but it seems like a fair representation of that street, there are plenty of places like this.

    50p man, yeah. half a cup of persil :lol: gotta admire his entrepreneurial spirit though, also his generosity when needed.

    Also hilarious, some girl on camera said "there's some hard working folk in this..... area". (street retracted)

    The tinfoil-clad bag, did that work?!

    There is something to be said about how poor people have better communties though, if you know what I mean :eek: They aren't all passing facades to their neighbours.

    The weed stealing, loved the unanimous outrage. One step too far.

    The next ep should be interesting.
  • StixxUK 10 Jan 2014 12:17:09 7,247 posts
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    Yeah cos it would be so easy for all of them to get a job and magically become "functioning members of society."

    These people are fucked.
  • Progguitarist 10 Jan 2014 12:31:03 10,424 posts
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    Couldn't believe what I was watching when I caught a few minutes of this. There is so much wrong with the show and the message it is obviously trying to portray. I'm surprised there wasn't a "brought to you in association with the daily mail" advert before it started!
  • Sir_Walter_Rally 10 Jan 2014 12:41:52 960 posts
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    @Progguitarist Why, what's wrong with it?!

    This shit goes on. Yes, they targeted that area on purpose, and themed it around benefits.

    Would you rather watch a program where people are motivated and desperate to get a job? Oh wait, we have those types of programmes too.

    It focuses on the trashy side of life, in particular poverty, and pulls no punches. So what.

    Only an idiot whould suggest that the show makers are trying to tar all benefits-recievers with the same brush.
  • Sir_Walter_Rally 10 Jan 2014 12:47:52 960 posts
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    Trafford wrote:
    I can live without Poverty porn to be honest.
    A fan of Cribs, then? :lol:

    Edited by Sir_Walter_Rally at 12:48:42 10-01-2014
  • TVoJ 10 Jan 2014 13:48:03 1,864 posts
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    I get this type of programming for free down my pub.

    Be thankful. You just watched an hour show on it. I have to endure it everyday of my life!
  • TarickStonefire 10 Jan 2014 13:51:12 3,048 posts
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    StixxUK wrote:
    The whole point of the programme was to entertain people by enraging them. Pretty irresponsible business to be in, but nothing new.
    This.

    TV knows what it's doing, and is rubbing its hands with glee all the way to the bank.

    Any Netflix library in the world for a couple of quid a month? Gimme!

  • TarickStonefire 10 Jan 2014 13:54:11 3,048 posts
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    Sir_Walter_Rally wrote:
    Only an idiot whould suggest that the show makers are trying to tar all benefits-recievers with the same brush.


    True, that's a broad generalisation you can't say with certainty the programme makers ever wanted to make. But by the same token, only an idiot would think the programme makers ever intended to do anything else but find the worst cases and put them centre stage, knowing full well it would wind people up and get them talking about the show.

    It has very little genuine moral centre, if you ask me, serving its role as voyeuristic 'there but for the grace of god' water-cooler-chat-generator perfectly well.

    Any Netflix library in the world for a couple of quid a month? Gimme!

  • localnotail 10 Jan 2014 14:05:25 23,093 posts
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    Outrage farming = guaranteed ratings = maximum ad revenue.

    @Sir_Walter_Rally Booster bag.

    Finally I have a proper place to put this:

    localnotail wrote:
    This guy is very angry and NSFW, LOTS AND LOTS OF SHOUTING AND SWEARING, but he's spot on. I wasn't sure where else to put it. Possibly this what happens to Russell Brand when he hulks up.
    Benefits Street: a transference of evil

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Dougs 10 Jan 2014 14:12:23 67,302 posts
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    Man, that is beautiful. Give the guy a medal.
  • RedSparrows 10 Jan 2014 14:22:40 22,351 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    Outrage farming = guaranteed ratings = maximum ad revenue.

    @Sir_Walter_Rally Booster bag.

    Finally I have a proper place to put this:

    localnotail wrote:
    This guy is very angry and NSFW, LOTS AND LOTS OF SHOUTING AND SWEARING, but he's spot on. I wasn't sure where else to put it. Possibly this what happens to Russell Brand when he hulks up.
    Benefits Street: a transference of evil
    He is my Daily Mail. Much love.

    The thing he says about one redundancy/illness from benefits is at the heart of much that makes me angry: a lot of people don't seem to think their situations could get worse, that they might need help.
  • Sir_Walter_Rally 10 Jan 2014 14:48:02 960 posts
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    TarickStonefire wrote:
    But by the same token, only an idiot would think the programme makers ever intended to do anything else but find the worst cases and put them centre stage, knowing full well it would wind people up and get them talking about the show.
    A little unfair. If there was some act of heroism caught on camera, I'm sure there would have included it in the programme...

    It's not like they are capturing nothing but the worst. The 'street mother' aspect was positive; sorting out her honorary children - forcing the layaway of cash for bills - knowing it would be otherwise spent on crack is something strangely heart-warming, scolding for drinking a tin too early, doleing out advice etc. An unrelated, black, fully-grown woman, after getting told what's good for her, grumbling "yes mother!", similarly heart-warming.

    Also, 50p man giving away his profits for the needy. Free bogroll, washing powder AND conditioner! Easy to laugh, but the equivalent for a real business to be doing the same would be significant.

    Wonder why no-one is focusing on these angles? No (faux) outrage to be had there.

    Edited by Sir_Walter_Rally at 14:53:11 10-01-2014
  • midnight_walker 10 Jan 2014 14:57:59 1,949 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    The thing he says about one redundancy/illness from benefits is at the heart of much that makes me angry: a lot of people don't seem to think their situations could get worse, that they might need help.
    I don't think anyone begrudges the genuinely ill/temporarily unemployed from claiming benefits do they? It's the lifestyle choice of claiming benefits and remaining unemployed that pisses people off.

    Edited by midnight_walker at 15:03:29 10-01-2014
  • SwissEvans 10 Jan 2014 14:58:47 96 posts
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    May sound a little draconian, but i always thought why couldnt they put benefits on a card? So you can spend on food, your gas etc. But it cant be spent down the pub, on luxuries you probably shouldnt be enjoying at the expense of things you probably arent buying.

    Effed me off no end when i was in Tesco one night buying milk for my daughter, counting coppers, and unwittingly walked into the midnight launch of GTA5. I'm probably massively steretyping, having a bit of a Kate Hopkins moment, but from the looks of ALOT of them, i doubt theyre in full time work. Unless northface jackets, black tracksuit bottoms and condom shaped black bobble hats are a work uniform somewhere.

    And im stood there counting pennies thinking, why are they getting paid money to sit at home and play games all day? I'm sure that money is meant to be supporting them while they look for work. Not shooting virtual prostitutes.

    Is it wrong of me to think maybe the benefits should really only be for certain stuff, like your rent and food etc. Im not saying they dont deserve luxuries at all, but what motivation is there to get off benefits is there if you can still be buying (full price) games etc which are luxury items?

    Meh i dont know. I'm not against benefits, i just think the way the system works is left open to a shit load of abuse.
  • TheSaint 10 Jan 2014 15:04:56 14,317 posts
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    Not sure what people are wearing at midnight is a good gage of employment status.
  • OptimusPube 10 Jan 2014 15:10:45 2,984 posts
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    I can't and wont watch programmes like this anymore.

    You better watch out.
    You better beware.
    Albert said E=MC²

  • midnight_walker 10 Jan 2014 15:14:10 1,949 posts
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    OptimusPube wrote:
    I can't and wont watch programmes like this anymore.
    Because your telly got taken back by Bright House?
  • SwissEvans 10 Jan 2014 15:16:05 96 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Not sure what people are wearing at midnight is a good gage of employment status.
    They were in groups/gangs, you know, that the common folk swarm in. I nearly dropped my bottle of Merlot when i saw them.
  • Zomoniac 10 Jan 2014 15:16:58 7,827 posts
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    SwissEvans wrote:
    Effed me off no end when i was in Tesco one night buying milk for my daughter, counting coppers, and unwittingly walked into the midnight launch of GTA5. I'm probably massively steretyping, having a bit of a Kate Hopkins moment, but from the looks of ALOT of them, i doubt theyre in full time work. Unless northface jackets, black tracksuit bottoms and condom shaped black bobble hats are a work uniform somewhere.
    There may be an overlap between "people on benefits" and "chavs", but they're not universally the same thing, and you're not describing the one you think you are.
  • SwissEvans 10 Jan 2014 15:21:28 96 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    SwissEvans wrote:
    Effed me off no end when i was in Tesco one night buying milk for my daughter, counting coppers, and unwittingly walked into the midnight launch of GTA5. I'm probably massively steretyping, having a bit of a Kate Hopkins moment, but from the looks of ALOT of them, i doubt theyre in full time work. Unless northface jackets, black tracksuit bottoms and condom shaped black bobble hats are a work uniform somewhere.
    There may be an overlap between "people on benefits" and "chavs", but they're not universally the same thing, and you're not describing the one you think you are.
    I understand that. It was more to set the scene for my thought process about those that it did overlap. And to make a funny comment about condom bobble hats ;)
  • Zomoniac 10 Jan 2014 15:30:18 7,827 posts
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    SwissEvans wrote:
    I understand that. It was more to set the scene for my thought process about those that it did overlap. And to make a funny comment about condom bobble hats ;)
    I know where you're coming from. My ex worked onsite at an emergency assisted housing place for people/families who'd been evicted or were fleeing violent partners and the like, and whilst most were perfectly decent people, there were occasionally people who left their young children to go hungry or kept them home from school as they didn't have bus fare because all their benefit money had gone on booze and cigarettes. And it's definitely a minority, but not such an insignificant one as to be ignored. But try as I might I can't think of a system that would prevent this happening that doesn't unfairly rob a majority of decent people of their dignity.
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