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  • imamazed 6 Nov 2013 10:36:56 6,087 posts
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    Reads like a 2/10
  • glaeken 6 Nov 2013 10:56:57 11,284 posts
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    The more he says the more he shows himself up. The solution to the banking crisis of not bailing out the banks and instead creating a million new job shows massive naivety. Yeah we could have just let the banks all fail and that would not have effected anything else would it :eek:

    Trying to paint politicians as being entirely about big business also comes off badly. I am sure it's more nuanced then that and this not coming from someone who has any time at all for career politicians.

    He does love his special pleading as well.
  • nickthegun 6 Nov 2013 11:00:05 61,762 posts
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    I find his arguments persuasive and compelling. Hes actually articulating a lot of things I have thought myself over the last few years as I have become utterly disillusioned with politics, going from a fairly militant voter to someone who just goes to the polling station to draw cocks on the ballot paper.

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  • glaeken 6 Nov 2013 11:05:33 11,284 posts
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    I agree with many of his points but I just find he overreaches a lot and if he tries to get into specifics he comes unstuck.

    I am with him on the sentiment though.
  • nickthegun 6 Nov 2013 11:07:07 61,762 posts
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    He doesnt. He's quite clearly stated that he doesnt have the solution several times.

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  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:10:17 10,044 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    The more he says the more he shows himself up. The solution to the banking crisis of not bailing out the banks and instead creating a million new job shows massive naivety. Yeah we could have just let the banks all fail and that would not have effected anything else would it :eek:

    Trying to paint politicians as being entirely about big business also comes off badly. I am sure it's more nuanced then that and this not coming from someone who has any time at all for career politicians.

    He does love his special pleading as well.
    But that's not what he said, was it? The view was of someone else that he was then sharing, and the view was that instead of giving the bosses millions of quids in bonuses they invested that money in jobs for nurses, police etc.

    Can't fault the theory in that at all.
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:13:40 10,044 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    That's my point. Don't tear down a house if you have no plans for how to rebuild it. And withholding your vote gives the incumbents, and the incumbent system, carte blanche to ignore you.

    (Plus I don't like the weird foppish blokey tone he brings to this, but that's more a taste thing).
    I'm not sure on this, it's quite a binary way of thinking and (obviously) that's not how Brand operates. Nor is it how a lot of people think. There are many different types of people in this world and we need the thinkers just as much as we need the doers.

    Edit: To add to this, I'd be quite happy to smash holes in my walls, but I'd need to "get a man in" to help me re-plaster the fuckers.

    Edited by binky at 11:15:01 06-11-2013
  • glaeken 6 Nov 2013 11:16:54 11,284 posts
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    binky wrote:
    glaeken wrote:
    The more he says the more he shows himself up. The solution to the banking crisis of not bailing out the banks and instead creating a million new job shows massive naivety. Yeah we could have just let the banks all fail and that would not have effected anything else would it :eek:

    Trying to paint politicians as being entirely about big business also comes off badly. I am sure it's more nuanced then that and this not coming from someone who has any time at all for career politicians.

    He does love his special pleading as well.
    But that's not what he said, was it? The view was of someone else that he was then sharing, and the view was that instead of giving the bosses millions of quids in bonuses they invested that money in jobs for nurses, police etc.

    Can't fault the theory in that at all.
    Yeah you could read it like that. Either interpretation does not make much sense to me. The bankers gave themselves the bonuses so who is it that is not going to give the bankers bonuses and create 1 million jobs?

    He did say he was repeating something someone else suggested but it's probably not a good idea to repeat things people said to you if they are stupid.
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:19:31 10,044 posts
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    @glaeken For me it's more about interpreting that pumping the money into things like paying nurses, police, armed forces a bit more is a much better idea than giving bankers big cherries. I can't find fault in that.
  • sport 6 Nov 2013 11:20:36 12,861 posts
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    Brand is coming for you and your kind LB!
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:33:43 10,044 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    binky wrote:

    Edit: To add to this, I'd be quite happy to smash holes in my walls, but I'd need to "get a man in" to help me re-plaster the fuckers.
    Let's go metaphortastic!

    We don't know that there is a man out there. And in the meantime all he's advocating is smashing holes in your walls.
    There MUST be a man!
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:36:01 10,044 posts
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    @LeoliansBro I accept it's not simple, and completely understand that without one you can't have the other, but the bankers ARE being paid. It's not like they're going home to a bedsit and burning yesterday's socks for warmth. It's the bonuses that get lumped on top that I have trouble with.
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:36:37 10,044 posts
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    @LeoliansBro Yeah but he's so dreamy.
  • Grax 6 Nov 2013 11:39:41 2,296 posts
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    @binky the thing with the bonuses are it is an incentive to earn more. Therefore paying more taxes etc. There does need to be some regulation in the banking sector and there are some now.

    Sorry for the shit posts i am really not with it but the jist remains the same

    we need the bankers to be doing their thing and bringing money into the economy and to get the best of them, you have to pay bonuses (not just bankers but alot of work places have a bonus system)

    It doesn't just go for bankers either, without the possibility of profit, would we see MS or Sony pumping so much money into computer consoles? if we were to tell them they had to hand over almost all the money they earn to pay for doctors and nurses they will lose the will to earn as much

    Edited by Grax at 11:43:16 06-11-2013
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:40:35 10,044 posts
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    My point is that I think it's good to open these thought processes up. Talk of revolution is nonsense and he's been spouting that for comedy effect for as long as I've known him to perform. The points are valid. This needs talking about and I think it's good that someone in Brand's position is opening debate about such things.

    I don't agree that he should be telling his religious followers not to vote, but I do agree that voting at the moment is Hobson's choice and is the reason that I've begrudgingly crossed a box in recent times rather than be (excited is too strong a word here but..) compelled to do so.
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:42:54 10,044 posts
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    Grax wrote:
    @binky the thing with the bonuses are it is an incentive to earn more. Therefore paying more taxes etc. There does need to be some regulation in the banking sector and there are some now.
    I want to agree with you. Bonuses should be an incentive but are they if you're paying them to yourself?
  • Grax 6 Nov 2013 11:45:14 2,296 posts
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    @binky there are regulations stating how much you can earn as a bonus etc that cover the whole of the banking industry

    Even though you pay yourself there is someone overseeing you (not that they were doing a very good job)
  • sport 6 Nov 2013 11:46:24 12,861 posts
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    So hold on, are we in agreement now that paying the bankers more will benefit all of us?

    hmmm yeah, that worked out well a few years ago.
  • Grax 6 Nov 2013 11:48:00 2,296 posts
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    @sport the problems only arise when you dont keep an eye on what banks are doing as they will do anything for extra cash. We need bankers, we dont need greedy bankers
  • binky Moderator 6 Nov 2013 11:50:56 10,044 posts
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    @LeoliansBro Umm.... Revolution?
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