What would be your solution for bringing down the UK's debt? Page 8

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  • BonzoBanana 11 Oct 2013 14:00:25 92 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    BonzoBanana wrote:
    http://moneyweek.com/endofbritain/
    That link is hilarious.
    But the web page it goes to certainly isn't. Even if they have over-stated the result their figures are real figures.
  • elstoof 11 Oct 2013 14:08:06 8,646 posts
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    It's like the internet version of going to Speakers Corner and listening to the man with the megaphone.
  • jamievilla 11 Oct 2013 14:14:50 652 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    BonzoBanana wrote:
    http://moneyweek.com/endofbritain/
    That link is hilarious.
    Even more hilarious is that the poster doesn't recognise that as a Direct Mail letter written by a copywriter for a particular purpose. They're not stating facts, it's Marketing.
  • Deleted user 11 October 2013 15:10:26
    It's terribly written, saying the same thing over and over and over again.
  • jamievilla 11 Oct 2013 15:36:11 652 posts
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    @RedSparrows welcome to direct mail! Surprisingly it has been proven to work, as much as I hate the style of writing - it seems to make people act.

    I love the use of graphs without any context to what they are referring to. "Look - government spending has exploded over the last 30 years look at this massive spike in this graph (we've created), aren't you scared? Well aren't you??? Buy our magazine and be saved!"
  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 16:07:40 39,712 posts
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    How will this magazine save us?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • elstoof 11 Oct 2013 16:11:46 8,646 posts
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    You can fold it into a hat that blocks all the government mind control ray beams.
  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 16:15:08 39,712 posts
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    Wow that is one "special" link

    Here's my response:




    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 16:16:05 11-10-2013

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • chopsen 11 Oct 2013 16:16:58 16,546 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Wow that is one "special" link

    Here's my response:


    That world wars are associated with subsequent high levels of national debt?

    Edited by Chopsen at 16:17:11 11-10-2013
  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 16:20:57 39,712 posts
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    No, look at the percentage of debt now and compare it to the retarded numbers that "article" claims.

    "500% of national GDP"

    Errm it's closer to 50%.

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 16:22:24 11-10-2013

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 16:25:28 39,712 posts
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    It's a good job I'm at work. I'd be fucking pissed off I wasted my time reading that. :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • jamievilla 11 Oct 2013 16:57:27 652 posts
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    Haha indeed. I actually know the guy who writes that stuff as well.

    He's a bellend.
  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 17:00:49 39,712 posts
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    Punch him in the face for me.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 11 Oct 2013 17:25:36 39,712 posts
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    @LeoliansBro Why the hell did you read past the insane over exaggeration of the national debt chart?

    You must've been extremely bored at work :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • BonzoBanana 11 Oct 2013 19:00:16 92 posts
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    It doesn't take much work to see figures that support those of moneyweek.

    This may go back to 2011 but it shows similar figures before 2012 and 13 are added.

    http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/true-level-of-uk-government-debt-exceeds-%C2%A35-trillion

    There seems a lot of denial here.

    Clearly the point is the sanitised government debt figure of 1-1.4 trillion is bad enough but a true figure that factors in all debt and liablilities is going to be much higher. This is hardly surprising.

    As ever people believe what they want to believe, we wouldn't have religion if that wasn't true.

    I certainly don't want to believe this so if anyone has some geniune factual comments about why this level of debt isn't so bad I'm happy to read it. I don't really think the debt level can be argued against but again it would be great if someone could prove the debt level was realistically much lower due to some overlooked factors.
  • jamievilla 11 Oct 2013 19:15:51 652 posts
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    @LeoliansBro that was ace. I don't always agree with your posts but that was an epic rant.

    Especially this bit:

    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Megapost, be warned.

    Well, I can do something similar: I'm going to take this word from your opinion piece:

    mess
    And extrapolate than the rest of your article will be this:

    mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess mess HUGE GIANT MONKEY COCKS AND A DARTBOARD mess.
    Enjoy the new phone :champo2:

    Edited by jamievilla at 19:18:37 11-10-2013
  • Deleted user 11 October 2013 19:48:48
    BOOM! FATALITY!
  • Deleted user 12 October 2013 20:39:39
    By all means help the unemployed, with help in finding them work etc but put a stop to giving them money. Food vouchers, stuff like that, but not cash. That would soon bring down the levels.
  • spamdangled 12 Oct 2013 20:45:29 27,704 posts
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    @blacksea

    How would they pay their bills then?

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  • Ginger 12 Oct 2013 22:33:45 6,954 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    @blacksea

    How would they pay their bills then?
    Sell the food vouchers on eBay for cash.

    London open taekwondo champion

  • Deleted user 12 October 2013 23:25:21
    Vouchers: the best way to make the unemployed feel even more powerless, patronised and pissed upon.
  • elstoof 12 Oct 2013 23:28:16 8,646 posts
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    The annual Christmas gift from your least favourite aunt: vouchers.
  • spamdangled 12 Oct 2013 23:35:50 27,704 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Vouchers: the best way to make the unemployed feel even more powerless, patronised and pissed upon.
    Precisely.

    Not to mention it's unworkable.

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  • Ginger 13 Oct 2013 10:18:02 6,954 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Vouchers: the best way to make the unemployed feel even more powerless, patronised and pissed upon.
    Might that not be an incentive to look for work perhaps?

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  • elstoof 13 Oct 2013 10:25:31 8,646 posts
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    What if the vouchers had little stickers on them, gold stars and motivational messages that kind of thing.
  • RichieTenenbaum 13 Oct 2013 10:45:37 2,231 posts
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    Ginger wrote:
    RedSparrows wrote:
    Vouchers: the best way to make the unemployed feel even more powerless, patronised and pissed upon.
    Might that not be an incentive to look for work perhaps?
    Except the people who don't want a job are a tiny percentage. The rest can't find one because there's hardly any jobs.
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