Didn't realise this was on tonight...
Starts in about 5 minutes...
Starts in about 5 minutes...
Fahrenheit 9/11 on C4 now!
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mentat 5,613 posts
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cubbymoore 33,933 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI forgot how good the music production is on this. And quite just how harrowing the 9/11 sequence is. -
tengu 10,295 posts
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Xensor 1,045 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYeah i'm watching it too.Bottom line is - with enough money and the right support, anything is possible... -
I'll just rent it. There's been a murder, you see...
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cubbymoore 33,933 posts
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Registered 8 years agoYou what? Murder? -
silentbob 30,494 posts
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Registered 9 years agoA toe curlingly uncomfortable polemic with some shockingly exploitative sections. Some moments of comedy genius provided by the Shrubster.
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tomrowley101 795 posts
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Registered 8 years agoThe worst part is the iraqi child on the bed with his arm unzipped -
WoodenSpoon 11,767 posts
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Registered 9 years agoThat Coallition of the Willing bit is comedy gold! -
tomrowley101 795 posts
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Registered 8 years agoThe toasted american cadaver mutilation was pretty stomach churning. -
oceanmotion 11,178 posts
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Registered 9 years agoWhoops, I missed it. Any chance of a repeat ? -
cubbymoore 33,933 posts
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Gruff 1,843 posts
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Registered 9 years agoThe fact Bush just sat there reading childrens storys for 7 minutes after being told about the towers still stuns me.
And they still voted him in Lol !!!
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Decoded 4,426 posts
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Registered 8 years agosilentbob wrote:
Effective though. Sometimes when you're dealing with shit you have to get your hands dirty.
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Freek 7,687 posts
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Registered 8 years agoDecoded wrote:
True. But making so much of it with selective edeting and things taken out of context means that you give the pro-Bush people and extremly easy way to dismiss it all.silentbob wrote:
Effective though. Sometimes when you're dealing with shit you have to get your hands dirty.
A toe curlingly uncomfortable polemic with some shockingly exploitative sections.
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silentbob 30,494 posts
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Registered 9 years agoDecoded wrote:
Yes, it effectively made me want to punch Moore's lights out. At no point did I feel any more compassion for the victims of the Iraq war - I just kept thinking how awfully manipulative the filmmaker is and when this poor woman's emotional breakdown would stop being so mercilessly stage managed.silentbob wrote:
Effective though. Sometimes when you're dealing with shit you have to get your hands dirty.
A toe curlingly uncomfortable polemic with some shockingly exploitative sections.
Ironically, Moore's most effective 'scene' is at the beginning of th emovie. No images, just the soundtrack to the horro of 9/11. Also, there was a truly mind bending montage of images collected during the Iraq conflict.
But the rest was pretty worthless IMO.
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Ajay 2,369 posts
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Registered 9 years agoFirst time I've seen it, and I've got to side with the 'manipulative and disappointing' crowd. Moore seemed especially confused as to how to portray American soldiers - one minute he's showing them as cocky, trigger happy yee-haws, the next he's portraying them as victims, preyed upon by merciless recruitment sergeants in deprived areas. That's the problem with this kind of partisan journalism - it needs to find an absolute truth where often none exists.
Sad really, along with Dude, Where's My Country?, the last of Moore's pieces I mentally absorbed, he's really gone downhill in my book. I'm on his side, but I just can't bring myself to cheer for him any more if he keeps using the methods of his enemies.
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Amajiro 2,214 posts
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Registered 10 years agoI hear what you're saying, silentbob - I couldn't stomach Dude, Where's My Country?, but I did find Stupid White Men somewhat enlightening.
However, I don't think you should dismiss him just because he is a polemicist*. In fact, once you bear that in mind he becomes more entertaining as a writer and film-maker. The danger with him is when he is considered as a 'balanced' reporter of the truth, when the information he presents should be considered in exactly the same light as that coming from 'the establishment'.
In my view, whichever way you look at it, if his targeted audience (answers on a postcard) is provoked into challenging what they're spoon-fed on a daily basis then that must be a good thing, whatever the cause.
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one-eye 1,211 posts
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Registered 10 years agoWell just looking at the trailers on Apple and stumbled upon this - Gunner Palace.
Apparantley it tells the story as never told before, by the soldiers themselves. Well whatever, but they seem to be having a whale of time at Saddams palace !
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Ajay 2,369 posts
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Registered 9 years agoGood link one-eye, hadn't heard of that before. I've not heard of the film makers before so I don't know their stance (pro/anti war etc) and it's pretty hard to tell from the trailer (though going by the poster, my hunch is it's sympathetic to the squaddies), but these docs filmed around the front line troops are usually pretty interesting either way so I'll be keeping an eye out for this.
Did think it looked worringly close to a real-life version of Buffalo Soldiers though...!
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Freek 7,687 posts
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Registered 8 years agoone-eye wrote:
LOL, yeah reminded me of Air America.
Well just looking at the trailers on Apple and stumbled upon this - Gunner Palace.
Apparantley it tells the story as never told before, by the soldiers themselves. Well whatever, but they seem to be having a whale of time at Saddams palace !
Edited by one-eye at 01:13:34 28-01-2005
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Hicksy 2,585 posts
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Registered 9 years agoi watched it as well for the first time last night and i have to say i thought it was very very good
i was also frustrated with the fact that there was no clear line of thought as to a true explanation of events but then i believe thats just the thing, there is no one answer, it's more a sea of interwoven thread that michael only just begins to break into
you have to admire the guy for doing what he does though, yes in a way you can call his type of journalism manipulative but then if no one is willing to really flesh out these events then we would be none the wiser
for one i feel more alive and thankful for having watched it, truly mass educational media of this type of form should be applauded
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Registered 8 years agoAjay wrote:
This is what I thought was really good about his portrayal of the soldiers, and NOT confused at all. He shows they're human, with weaknesses and faults..
Moore seemed especially confused as to how to portray American soldiers - one minute he's showing them as cocky, trigger happy yee-haws, the next he's portraying them as victims, preyed upon by merciless recruitment sergeants in deprived areas. -
sam_spade 15,703 posts
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Registered 10 years ago'truly mass-educational media'
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Hicksy 2,585 posts
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Registered 9 years agolol! what? o_o
it is educational
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sam_spade 15,703 posts
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Registered 10 years agoI'd like to think that prospective education materials wouldn't be so biased. Unless of course you are taking: "Why do liberals hate America: 101".gif)
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Registered 8 years agoThe second half was really boring, and not nearly as funny as the first half. The script writers ran out of jokes, and the funny guy dissapeared for most of the 2nd half. -
Hicksy 2,585 posts
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Registered 9 years agobias is inherent in everything
as long as you recognise that then the material is still viable?
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Hyoushi wrote:
It might have been better quality but certainly not better known. Moore brought his documentary to a mainstream audience and while it's far from perfect it got people thinking. And the outrage it recieved from the American right is a testament to its effectiveness. They don't like being beaten at their own game
Boring film. Saw a french docu on the same topic, more or less, that was much much better..gif)
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