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  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2013 07:12:20 77,461 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    A hero for putting his country at risk? He is a traitor who doesn't see the big picture.
    China most likely doing the same thing but no one exposed it, have you noticed Russia n China not saying much on the matter.
    Actually they've been pretty vocal about it. Do you do children's parties or is it illegal to hire spastics for amusement purposes here now?

    Edited by Dirtbox at 07:12:50 04-07-2013

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  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 07:13:26
    Country at risk? Tool.
  • dominalien 4 Jul 2013 07:18:46 6,827 posts
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    Russia and China aren't even pretending to abide by the rule of law.

    USA, pretending to be the model democracy with all the freedom is another thing entirely.

    PSN: DonOsito

  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2013 07:21:46 77,461 posts
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    He blew the whistle on our gov doing the self same thing as well, lest we forget.

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  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 07:44:04
    So just dont monitor communications? It enables them to monitor everything and put the naughty bits to good use. Like stop terrorist activities, if you're not doing aniything wrong why does it matter.
    They need to protect their interests.
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 07:56:39
    You are an idiot, you have nothing to fear.
  • disusedgenius 4 Jul 2013 07:59:09 5,195 posts
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    Meh. Everyone's doing something wrong.
  • RyanDS 4 Jul 2013 08:01:50 9,053 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    A hero for putting his country at risk? He is a traitor who doesn't see the big picture.
    China most likely doing the same thing but no one exposed it, have you noticed Russia n China not saying much on the matter.
    Is your keyboard broken or are you just unable to type properly?
  • LetsGo 4 Jul 2013 08:08:21 5,161 posts
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    How many terrorist attacks do you think have been stopped because of this surveillance?
  • Shikasama 4 Jul 2013 08:13:56 6,603 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    How many terrorist attacks do you think have been stopped because of this surveillance?
    Dunno, how many have you decided?
  • LetsGo 4 Jul 2013 08:15:07 5,161 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    How many terrorist attacks do you think have been stopped because of this surveillance?
    Dunno, how many have you decided?
    I have no idea, but I think it's safe to say at least one attack would have been stopped, and if that's saved lives.... I dunno, at what price is freedom?!
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 08:18:19
    Monitoring our coms doesn't revoke our freedom. Freedom is not in the west anyway, we don't get to do as we please and you only have full free speak if you are a Muslim in luton.
  • RyanDS 4 Jul 2013 08:20:39 9,053 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    Monitoring our coms doesn't revoke our freedom. Freedom is not in the west anyway, we don't get to do as we please and you only have full free speak if you are a Muslim in luton.
    Totally agreed! Just last week our local church was told they could no longer ring their bells and at east a charity shop had to remove baby Jesus from the window.

    We are on he verge of sharia law and it is scary as hell!
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 08:30:57
    Told by who?
  • RyanDS 4 Jul 2013 08:33:39 9,053 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    Told by who?
    The goverment as they didn't want to offend the Muslims.   Our local schools even have to do lessons in urdu Thanks to the eu and the human rights fiasco. 
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 08:35:36
    RyanDS wrote:
    We are on he verge of sharia law and it is scary as hell!
    O_o
  • RyanDS 4 Jul 2013 08:36:27 9,053 posts
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    HairyArse wrote:
    RyanDS wrote:
    We are on he verge of sharia law and it is scary as hell!
    O_o
    ssh. ..I am seeing how far I can string him along.
  • Chopsen 4 Jul 2013 08:36:58 15,707 posts
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    RyanDS wrote:
    Choppi wrote:
    Monitoring our coms doesn't revoke our freedom. Freedom is not in the west anyway, we don't get to do as we please and you only have full free speak if you are a Muslim in luton.
    Totally agreed! Just last week our local church was told they could no longer ring their bells and at east a charity shop had to remove baby Jesus from the window.

    We are on he verge of sharia law and it is scary as hell!
    There are a lot of urban myths about this doing the rounds. Being being banned from calling christmas by its name and calling it "holiday season" or whatever. Gets picked up now and again but it usually turns out to be horseshit on inspection.
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 08:47:31
    It's racist to raise the English flag. Fact.
    We off topic yo.
    This muppet didn't reveal spy names or like anyting but he still jeopardy American relations with others which still can put lives at risk. Solitary confine in jail next to the wiki leaks boss for baby fiddlin.
    Ya got 2b a bit of a tit to join the intelligence service and then take offense that you spying on people.
  • RyanDS 4 Jul 2013 08:51:44 9,053 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    It's racist to raise the English flag. Fact.
    We off topic yo.
    This muppet didn't reveal spy names or like anyting but he still jeopardy American relations with others which still can put lives at risk. Solitary confine in jail next to the wiki leaks boss for baby fiddlin.
    Ya got 2b a bit of a tit to join the intelligence service and then take offense that you spying on people.
    This is a thing of beauty.  Racist, paranoid, illiterate and angry.  It's like the entire EDL distilled into one single incoherent post.
  • Chopsen 4 Jul 2013 08:57:37 15,707 posts
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    And factually inaccurate. Julian Assmassage didn't fiddle children, he allegdy raped a grown woman. Subtle difference.
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 09:02:45
    Oh well, there is a chance he did neither but that's what happens when you mess with the you s of a.
  • Chopsen 4 Jul 2013 09:10:34 15,707 posts
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    What, you get raped by a baby?
  • Deleted user 4 July 2013 09:17:11
    So is Raven attempted to hide her identity by acting more retarded? Impressive she seems to be managing tbh.
  • w00t 4 Jul 2013 09:22:56 11,047 posts
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    revan > pepsipop > Choppi > ???

    The day charity died - NEVER FORGET

    (the mic was OK in the end)

  • RightBean 4 Jul 2013 09:48:24 636 posts
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    France has apologised to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

    Bolivia accused France, Italy, Spain and Portugal of blocking the plane.
    Seems like these countries are so eager to suck up to the US that they don't bother getting their information straight before acting. Doesn't bode well for Snowden, but at least they outed themseleves.
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2013 18:38:20 77,461 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    How many terrorist attacks do you think have been stopped because of this surveillance?
    Dunno, how many have you decided?
    I have no idea, but I think it's safe to say at least one attack would have been stopped, and if that's saved lives.... I dunno, at what price is freedom?!
    The answer is none, and the math says the chances of finding one are well over one million to one. It's not like Jihadi's take selfies with a bomb strapped to them to show their friends on facebook.

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  • Khanivor 4 Jul 2013 18:51:55 40,360 posts
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    I think it's pretty certain at least a few plots have been uncovered and stopped. Look at the period from the late 90s till the early 00s when spectacular attacks were very common and happening all over the world. Since around 2004 we haven't seen these happening on western targets. OK, you have attacks like those in Mubai but the frequency and death tolls are way down.

    Now, either something has been done to stop attacks or we must believe that the jihadists are fussed about it anymore, that they've pretty much given up.

    Couple that with the fact that none of these programs have been shut down by the Teahadists in the US and it's a sensible conclusion that they are producing results.
  • RightBean 4 Jul 2013 18:56:58 636 posts
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    but does the end justify the means? perhaps there are other ways to prevent all those attacks, like withdrawing support for Israel, or treating the root cause of the problem and not playing whack-a-mole with the symptoms (and violating the privacy of every human on earth in the process)

    edit: anyway Snowdens point is that the american people should be aware of the surveillance and decide on it, not that it's ineffective

    Edited by RightBean at 19:04:50 04-07-2013
  • Inertia 4 Jul 2013 19:04:19 676 posts
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    @Khanivor

    Or that spying on foreign businesses and foreign countries might be profitable for their economy. With the slight chance of tracing terrorist activity as a secondary thing.

    Also they can cut out leaks from departments that go to journalists and make it difficult for the press to criticise the government. And I refuse to believe they wouldn't trace a journalist's call and online activity if they wanted to trace a leak.

    The possibility of abuse outweighs the benefits. Assume they will do the worst and you will probably be close to the truth. And if they were confident about their reasons then why do it secretly behind the voter's back.
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