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  • Sharzam 26 Jun 2013 08:05:16 2,816 posts
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    That blur is terrible. Thank you for the links.

    Iam thinking 32" is to small. Looking at 40-46" wouldn't mind some 50" Plasma but think that might be pushing it as only got 2m from sofa to tv.

    Edited by Sharzam at 08:07:08 26-06-2013

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  • INSOMANiAC 26 Jun 2013 08:09:43 3,829 posts
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    @Sharzam My point was, avoid LED at all costs, Plasma has far less motion blur as it refreshes at 600hz and doesnt have the issue of pixels rate bollocks etc, thats why I couldnt play the last of us the other night, imagine that picture I posted, but with a shitty 30fps over the top of it. Horrific.

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 17:43:14 26-06-2013

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  • Sharzam 26 Jun 2013 18:21:35 2,816 posts
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    My current LG model doesn't have any noticeable motion blur and i wanted a new big tv so with all your scares i thought i best check up the details, and glad i did.

    Ive seen a few TVs in the right price with the 100hz and i thought uh well i wonder why my tv doesn't have a problem. Turns out my TV has 120hz motion thingy which would explain why not a problem.

    And so due to your advice i didn't buy the TV i saw in Sainsburys today that had 100hz, if it wasn't for your problems i wouldn't of thought to read up on my current TV and just assumed that in 4 years TV tech has moved on in the low/mid range.

    Current
    http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-37LH30-lcd-tv

    One in Sainburys for 399 with free Google Box
    http://www.sony.co.uk/product/tv-102-40-lcd/kdl-40r473a

    Just if wondering this is my main monitor and its a fast bugger, awesome with Nvidea 3D Vision 2 too.
    http://benq.co.uk/product/monitor/xl2420t

    Edited by Sharzam at 18:27:52 26-06-2013

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  • INSOMANiAC 26 Jun 2013 20:23:28 3,829 posts
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    @Sharzam As I say, this '120hz' business is a sham, the picture is processed to achive a pretend 100hz form a 50hz signal, every frame has an estimated frame inbetween and introduces input lag. I can only asusme you dont play games on your LG? although it has a 5ms response time so it wouldnt be as bad for blur. I'd have thought having a benq monitor you'd have seen the difference.

    Also, did you know you can 'hack' that monitor to force 120hz and use lightboost during 2d, eliminating motion blur, input lag, and possibly removing the need for Vsynch, thus increasing frame rate?

    http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost/

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 20:24:50 26-06-2013

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  • Sharzam 26 Jun 2013 20:34:11 2,816 posts
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    My Monitor is always smooth and i never hard vsync only using adaptive at 120. I have 2 GTX570s overclocked and running in Sli for my PC gaming so is normally around 120fps (althourgh some games are a tad lower around 90fps) and is always at 120hz anyway. Also its easy enough to manually enable Lightboost no fiddling required, but is pointless in 2D as it buggers up your gamma and brightness. The downside to the monitor though is that no console on any TV is smooth by comparison due to the lack of power the consoles have.

    My PS3 is on the LG TV in another room and the 30fps of console games is my bug bear but nothing can be done about that but does make it feel so slow and unresponsive. Cant say i notice any motion blur though.

    edit: yes i know the difference between true refresh rating and 'motion processing' rating. As you can see at no point did i say my TV had fresh rating of 120hz.

    Oh and one last thing regarding lightboost, if it is enabled (ie in 3D mode) you have very limited control over other settings. So any user settings such as colour correction, gamma, sharpness are all disabled.

    Edited by Sharzam at 20:56:57 26-06-2013

    Edited by Sharzam at 21:05:24 26-06-2013

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  • INSOMANiAC 26 Jun 2013 21:03:14 3,829 posts
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    Be interesting if you went here

    http://www.tvblink.com/i_dvd.html

    And played that DVD on your TV and compared it to your Monitor, the one with the rubiks cube in particular, is running at 60fps and even the second fastest one is blurred on this TV, the fourth is basically two cubes!

    Of course, you may highlight to yourself a problem that you havent noticed before..

    Still, Ive recorded the result and Im going to compare them to my shiny new Monitor when it arrives tomorrow.

    Did you calibrate your monitor just by eye?

    What grinds my gears is all this 'ultra smooth motion' bullshit they put on the boxes of these things when it CLEARLY isnt the case, it's false advertising

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 21:05:03 26-06-2013

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  • yklamolamo 28 Aug 2013 17:44:15 2 posts
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    Is the uncharted (in the picture) played with pc or ps3?
  • yklamolamo 23 Sep 2013 19:49:55 2 posts
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    @INSOMANiAC Was that played with ps3 or pc
  • INSOMANiAC 23 Sep 2013 21:33:47 3,829 posts
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    @yklamolamo Its the last of us, on Ps3. The 30 fps doesnt help

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  • wobbly_Bob 23 Sep 2013 22:49:46 1,699 posts
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    No motion blur on my led LG. I think people get to caught up with negatives and wanting things perfect. If I believed the scare stories I read about led tvs either clouding and so forth I would never have got my TV and that would be a shame because I fucking love it.
  • SeeNoWeevil 27 Jun 2014 16:12:06 54 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    @Sharzam My point was, avoid LED at all costs, Plasma has far less motion blur as it refreshes at 600hz and doesnt have the issue of pixels rate bollocks etc, thats why I couldnt play the last of us the other night, imagine that picture I posted, but with a shitty 30fps over the top of it. Horrific.
    Your information is a little out of date. Sony have Lightboost-esque black frame insertion in their newer range of panels but at 60Hz (which is perfect for gaming). They call it Motionflow Impulse. Low lag, interpolation free and essentially eliminates motion blur. Similar to CRT and better than plasma.

    http://www.blurbusters.com/sony-motionflow-impulse-mode-reduces-motion-blur-without-interpolation/

    Edited by SeeNoWeevil at 16:17:23 27-06-2014
  • Zomoniac 27 Jun 2014 16:22:23 7,820 posts
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    Post from a year ago may have out of date information? Surely not.
  • SeeNoWeevil 27 Jun 2014 18:28:30 54 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    Post from a year ago may have out of date information? Surely not.
    Good point well made.
  • BeebleB 27 Jun 2014 19:23:08 898 posts
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    I have the light boost hack activated on my 120hz asus screen and it does tend to look a bit washed out.. You can mitigate it slightly by altering the colour settings in the nvidia control panel but it never looks that great.

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