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  • RyanDS 3 Jul 2013 08:07:42 9,577 posts
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    I would hardly call it cold blood. What with it taking place in the middle of a battle and one of he, wielding a knife. I had slaughtered them all within a second, still in battle mode and seeing Ellie on the table with a doctor waving a knife over her was hardly time for thought.
  • Derblington 3 Jul 2013 10:04:35 21,906 posts
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    Generic game engine???

    Started on Monday, finished it last night (the gf is away so I sat up basically all night, twice - 5 hours sleep in 48 hours). What a game. Smart, mature (mostly) and incredibly well designed. Even without the immense spectacle of the Uncharted set-pieces, the stuff they do here is still incredible.

    There are so many things I like about it. ND are one hell of a studio.
  • Deleted user 3 July 2013 10:32:29
    @Velocityraptor

    I don't think there is just one view. I took away that they weren't really doctors anymore, just firefly military scientists that had decided to kill a strong and healthy girl with naturally selected DNA for their own survival. Ethically I saw them no better than Joel, yet in many ways they had shown lesser survival instincts than Joel (by needing armed escorts). Joel and his brother had both survived for 20years(?) after the outbreak and had avoided becoming too far removed from humanity(by living in packs) without resorting to cannibalism, that suggests to me that it is no coincidence that their shared DNA was being naturally selected like Elle's to survive the fungus. I want to quote something from Professor Charles Xavier from the opening of an X-men movie about mutantion, but it eludes me.
  • trampstar 3 Jul 2013 13:48:27 70 posts
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    Just finished it, amazing game. Comfortably in my top 3 games ever.

    However, I kind of grew tired of the Clear this area, Clear this area, find Ellie a pallet to climb on, clear this area, get ladder, clear this area.

    I just found it a bit repetitive.
  • ZuluHero 3 Jul 2013 13:51:53 4,198 posts
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    You don't have to clear all the areas. You can sneak through a lot of sections.
  • trampstar 3 Jul 2013 13:56:03 70 posts
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    @ZuluHero I know, I did sneak through a few areas, but even still, I just wish there was another element to the game that broke up that repetition. Perhaps something along the lines of the puzzle sections in Uncharted, some genuine puzzle parts.
  • Velocityraptor 3 Jul 2013 19:34:31 15 posts
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    @RyanDS

    Fair. It makes perfect sense as an emotional decision, but justifying it with comments like "they deserve to die for breaking their doctors oath" and "its nature" doesn't sit well with me.

    @Vizzini

    See, with the number of people Joel killed, I'd argue he was at least a little removed from humanity himself. I viewed most of the game from Joel's "We are survivors" perspective, and that's all very well, but when @wogsy81 attempted to take the clear moral high ground, thats bullshit.

    I'd assume your x-men quote is something a long the lines of when the current generation are about to be replaced by their more evolved counterparts, they violently attempt to adjust the balance and cling to the world they know, before being replaced? (Not an x-men fan, but I'm going off your comment and what I remember of the movies) The premise is a little stretched and doesn't directly apply, but the argument is based off of them actually winning eventually becoming selected otherwise its pointless conjecture. Trying to state that natural selection is happening on a small population sample over 20 years (and in the case of Ellie over one year) is hopeful at best. Again, its as much chance as anything else. Joel's brother admits to only surviving because of the things Joel did, and from the number of times I died as Joel potentially this could easily have been a different story.
  • Velocityraptor 3 Jul 2013 19:34:31 15 posts
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  • Rhaegyr 3 Jul 2013 23:23:57 2,219 posts
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    Just finished the game - absolute CLASS. In the top 3 PS3 exclusives for sure.

    I love how morally ambiguous Joel is - there's shades of grey all over his character and the ending only emphasises this. Really pleased they didn't go with a 'problems solved' ending and went with something a little different.

    Not being the biggest Naughty Dog fan (though I liked Uncharted 1 & 2) I wasn't as hyped as everyone else. This game surpassed my expectations in nearly every area and is definitely the jewel in Naughty Dog's crown.

    What an amazing, singular experience.

    PS. I echo Jim Sterling's comments @ Destructoid. There's absolutely no need for a sequel.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 4 Jul 2013 04:40:34 11,401 posts
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    There's no conflict for the doctors I don't think, because they are treating humanity, and by operating on the girl, they would at the very least save thousands of lives, at potentially deliver the species from oblivion.

    I still killed those doctors though, because by the end I cared more about the girl than humanity...

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  • rockavitch 4 Jul 2013 07:37:25 342 posts
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    I liked how they witheld one vital part of the ending from us and let us decide for ourselves if the doctors were doing the right thing. That part is El's decision, we didn't get to talk to her one last time so will never know if she accepted it would kill her and was ok for it.

    As for Joel, while it could seem selfish that he essentially said screw mankind just to save one life I'm torn on if I could've went through with it in the same situation, doubt I'd have let her die either if I'm honest.

    One quick question regarding ng+ if someone can answer. If I do chapter select before startimg my ng+ for collectables will I still be able to start it without replaying whole game again?

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  • ZuluHero 4 Jul 2013 10:56:40 4,198 posts
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    rockavitch wrote:
    I liked how they witheld one vital part of the ending from us and let us decide for ourselves if the doctors were doing the right thing. That part is El's decision, we didn't get to talk to her one last time so will never know if she accepted it would kill her and was ok for it.
    I don't think she knew - all the hidden tapes leading up to it were saying to Ellie's mum how sorry she is for lying to her daughter and how its for the greater good and that Ellie would be with her soon. How she would feel no pain, unlike if she was ripped apart from clickers. How its better for her not to grow up in that world if they never found a cure.

    Trying to justify it.

    Also all the stuff leading to the hospital, where Ellie and Joel are talking about all the stuff they'll do afterwards.

    I don't think she knew.

    Maybe if the fireflies had come clean, not tried to kill Joel, let them talk it out, explain the risks and the outcome then things might have been different, but they didn't, at the end they took away Ellie and Joel's choice and that's one thing that crosses the line.

    Another person or group shouldn't be allowed to decide whether a person should die, it should be up to that person whether to give up their life for the greater good. Freewill and choice is mostly all we have for ourselves. Doubly so in that post-apocalyptic world.

    Edited by ZuluHero at 10:58:32 04-07-2013
  • Folant 4 Jul 2013 11:02:24 1,343 posts
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    rockavitch wrote:
    I liked how they witheld one vital part of the ending from us and let us decide for ourselves if the doctors were doing the right thing. That part is El's decision, we didn't get to talk to her one last time so will never know if she accepted it would kill her and was ok for it.

    As for Joel, while it could seem selfish that he essentially said screw mankind just to save one life I'm torn on if I could've went through with it in the same situation, doubt I'd have let her die either if I'm honest.

    One quick question regarding ng+ if someone can answer. If I do chapter select before startimg my ng+ for collectables will I still be able to start it without replaying whole game again?
    Yes. You can chapter select, back to main menu, chapter select, back to main menu as much as you please before starting NG+.

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  • rockavitch 4 Jul 2013 11:37:31 342 posts
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    I don't know, she seemed very distant towards the end after the whole fending for herself bit so I reckon she knew it was a possibility and was maybe humoring Joel and herself, being as optimistic as she could be in the situation. That's just my take on it though, probably change after another playthrough in some way as is often the case for me with games.

    Cheers Folant, I know some people are having a few glitches in regards to trophies so wanted to avoid anything that could mess me about.

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  • ZuluHero 4 Jul 2013 11:42:30 4,198 posts
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    Yeah I thought that too, but I took it more for the loss of humanity, she was questioning if it was really worth saving if every one has become cannibals and lawless, essentially, no better than the mutants.

    That's why she perks up when she sees the giraffes and actually realises that the world is still a beautiful place.

    The tapes also removed a lot of doubt for me.

    Edited by ZuluHero at 11:43:02 04-07-2013
  • Folant 4 Jul 2013 11:42:38 1,343 posts
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    Keep in mind, if you upgrade any weapons going chapter select they won't go into NG+. The NG+ will be continuing how you were when the credits originally rolled.

    As for Ellie being quiet after the whole David thing, I'll be honest, I thought shark week.

    Posted from my Nexus 4, not using Tapatalk 4.

  • mcmothercruncher 4 Jul 2013 17:29:09 7,203 posts
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    Or, you know, it could be because she'd just viciously murdered a cannibal who was about to rape her. Probably her period though, yeah.
  • TheBlackDog 8 Jul 2013 10:11:15 405 posts
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    Would like some advice about whether the gameplay is going to change a bit after a certain section I've just reached. Reason is, the wife was enjoying the story (we planned to play through together because she likes to watch, while I play) but she is finding the trial and error of the game play a bit boring just now and is wondering if its worth her continuing to watch my progress (we had planned on playing 2 hours every night until its finished).

    We've just got through the bit where you are playing hide and seek with the army troops, evading their flashlights, etc. I'll admit I failed a few sections of it a few times, and I think she has a point that it breaks the immersion a bit and is just like watching a regular video game where she was hoping that it would be a bit more like The Walking Dead games.

    She doesn't mind the action sections if they flow fairly well with plenty of story, and she really enjoyed the opening hour or two.

    So, does it get 'better' ?? Different ?? I'm hoping thats the only annoying bit of the game /don't lynch me, I am enjoying it, but it was a bit of a letdown that section.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 8 Jul 2013 10:13:32 11,401 posts
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    That's right near the start. Yeah, the enemies and the terrain change a lot over the course of the rest of the game. Also, trial and error? No! Use your hearing man. No excuses...

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  • X201 8 Jul 2013 10:54:48 15,576 posts
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    Plus depending on what difficulty you're on, use R2


    And get out of this thread, its full of spoilers.
    There's a non-spoiler thread that will be safer for you,.
  • javvyman 8 Jul 2013 11:09:09 716 posts
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    Yeh, try and immerse yourself a little more into the game, try not to play casually if you can.

    The checkpoint system is rather good, but I always found that played the game very very carefully, focusing as much as stealth as I could.

    Also played alot of it with my wife watching, she considered it the best game she's ever seen by the end. It really does get much much better.
  • mcmothercruncher 8 Jul 2013 13:25:06 7,203 posts
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    I went though that section trying to kill everyone, much as I did for the rest of the game on the first play through-total nightmare.
    Almost impossible to do anything but stealth it on the harder difficulties though... and suddenly it was a bazillion times easier. I think you're supposed to rapidly creep through that section, but my instincts were telling me to murderise :)
  • TheBlackDog 8 Jul 2013 23:01:01 405 posts
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    Cheers for the responses - we just played the next 3 hours and she's hooked. I think it got a lot better too. And the outdoor scenes are really nice - like when you get outside to see the sun in Dark Souls - feels good after being in the darkness for too long.

    Edited by TheBlackDog at 23:02:12 08-07-2013
  • JohnnyIsTruant 9 Jul 2013 01:30:45 57 posts
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    Goddamn what an ending! I felt the way it cut to black on the final conversation followed the McCarthy esque feel of the game perfectly. Also that gauntlet through the hospital trying to reach Ellie was where the gameplay finally fell into place for me. For the rest of the game I was taking each area very carefully but in the hospital...I'll just describe the run.

    I started by taking the side route to avoid confrontation, easily shivved a couple of guys, but then about mid-way wound up getting bloody caught so I lunged at the guy with my axe which drew the attention of every bastard in the area. Quick as a flash I dived over a desk, pulled out my revolver with four bullets to spare and fired off some desperate shots. Two missed, one guy I nailed with a headshot and the last hit one in the arm, realising I was fucked I made a mad dash with bullets zipping around my ears. Got hit and stumbled but kept running as everyone was closing in. One guy lunged but missed as I made a crazy run for the door and barely made it.

    Everything about it from the piercing bang of the gunfire to the absolutely perfect animations make the actions sequences some of the most fluid and cinematic but still fully controlled of any game. Absolutely wonderful.
  • Syrette 9 Jul 2013 01:53:01 43,744 posts
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    @Graveland

    Do you work for Quantic Dream or something?

    And for the record, I don't agree. Heavy Rain is good but flawed, The Walking Dead is the "pinnacle of that style of game", and The Last of Us is much, much better than Heavy Rain.

    Edited by Syrette at 01:55:42 09-07-2013

  • Syrette 9 Jul 2013 01:55:11 43,744 posts
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    JohnnyIsTruant wrote:
    Everything about it from the piercing bang of the gunfire to the absolutely perfect animations make the actions sequences some of the most fluid and cinematic but still fully controlled of any game.
    As much as I loved them... they didn't feel especially fluid to me. And they needn't, I'm playing as a semi-realistic, flawed character. Not Batman.

  • TheBlackDog 9 Jul 2013 09:12:23 405 posts
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    @Graveland Cheers for the advice - I'd prefer to spend half my gaming time with wifey. I'll look out for it cheap. Hopefully it'll pop up on PS+ one day.
  • X201 9 Jul 2013 09:20:08 15,576 posts
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    L.A. Noire would be another good one to play with Mrs BlackDog.
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