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  • mal 24 Jun 2013 13:33:16 25,951 posts
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    Tom_Servo wrote:
    A fleet of journalists thought Snowden was going to be on a 12 hour flight from Moscow to Havana and booked tickets and got aboard accordingly. Expect... Snowden isn't on the plane!
    Hah, numpties!

    To be fair I've no idea where he's going or how, but I was pretty damn sure that itinerary they'd seen was a smokescreen.
  • Khanivor 24 Jun 2013 13:49:53 42,762 posts
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    It's gonna take a few days talking to the Russians before he's ready to move on to the next customer.
  • Load_2.0 24 Jun 2013 13:55:51 23,176 posts
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    Yes comrade, this way to your suite, we will have much to talk about.
  • Lamb 24 Jun 2013 14:00:15 641 posts
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    Oh god another guy given his 15 minutes of fame. Maybe we can see how many of them we can fit into the Ecudorian Embassy in London. Seriously more non-news that we already knew about.
  • Khanivor 24 Jun 2013 14:37:36 42,762 posts
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    http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2428809
  • Benno 24 Jun 2013 14:55:33 11,550 posts
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    TarickStonefire wrote:
    Lamb wrote:
    Oh god another guy given his 15 minutes of fame. Maybe we can see how many of them we can fit into the Ecudorian Embassy in London. Seriously more non-news that we already knew about.
    Oh you knew?

    You *knew*?

    Well why the fuck didn't you say?

    Oh, you didn't know, you just suspected, as we all did.

    But now we *know*.

    Well, except you, you knew already. You're so big and strong and hard.
    SHOTS FIRED
  • Khanivor 24 Jun 2013 15:14:55 42,762 posts
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    Until congresscritters are voted in who are going to change the Patriot Act then it's all just theatre.

    Saying that, when Al Franken says that what is being done us both needed and not evil I'm inclined to believe him. Not only is he in possession of facts but he has an impecable record on such matters.

    I do wonder if Snowden will ever leave Russia. Fleeing to a gangster nation led by a former head of their security services seems an even more bizarro choice than HK.
  • TheSaint 24 Jun 2013 15:18:08 16,582 posts
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    On the flip side it would be hilarious if they are the country that end up extraditing him to the US.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2013 15:37:52
    The odd thing about this is that the Western complaints about Chinese cyber-spying and IP theft now have very sympathy.

    Chinese complaints that 'America does it too' now have a lot more credibility.

    Well done the USA.
  • Lamb 24 Jun 2013 16:36:32 641 posts
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    Yes we all knew. Just turn on a damn pc and we knew. This really is non-news. No whats churlish is that you and the media expect me to believe this is somehow important. Are you looking to join an Ecuadorian bed and breakfast?

    The only thing I didn't know about was how to spell Ecuador, and god bless them.

    The nature of spying is to be incredibly good at it, and act on actionable information for the good of the majority what you say in your personal life whatever it is, is not relevant unless you are planning something to the detriment of the people.

    So are you planning something?
  • Khanivor 24 Jun 2013 16:42:06 42,762 posts
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    I think there's a difference between reading emails looking for people committing crimes and hacking into servers and stealing corporate and military secrets.

    I wonder how scared Mr Snowden has been of his hosts. They could have lots of fun offering him nothing but cups of tea to drink.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2013 17:07:16
    Khanivor wrote:
    I think there's a difference between reading emails looking for people committing crimes and hacking into servers and stealing corporate and military secrets.
    For sure, but what's worse? This is deliberate blue on blue from the bastion of individual freedom.

    It really does seem quite strange that government and leading corporations show a high level of numptiness when it comes to protecting national assets against Chinese intrusion and theft, yet display amazing creativity and commitment to spying on their own people. Who's the enemy here? Us?
  • Deleted user 24 June 2013 17:14:13
    You'll certainly hear a lot more Chinese accusations of US hackery now. And people will start to believe it.
  • Load_2.0 24 Jun 2013 17:17:29 23,176 posts
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    The problem is that while MI5 or the CIA might not give it shit if you mix your plastic and paper recycling or paid the right amount of tax the info is saved.

    And at some point why not categorise it and 6 months later give access to Peter at Swindon Council or HMRC.
  • oceanmotion 24 Jun 2013 17:19:19 16,833 posts
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    Surprised they never found him.

    Perhaps not like TV then.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2013 17:26:08
    Load_2.0 wrote:
    The problem is that while MI5 or the CIA might not give it shit if you mix your plastic and paper recycling or paid the right amount of tax the info is saved.

    And at some point why not categorise it and 6 months later give access to Peter at Swindon Council or HMRC.
    If as a by-product of catching terrorists we also snare a few tax dodgers and lazy re-cyclers then Im all for it.
  • oceanmotion 24 Jun 2013 17:34:28 16,833 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    The problem is that while MI5 or the CIA might not give it shit if you mix your plastic and paper recycling or paid the right amount of tax the info is saved.

    And at some point why not categorise it and 6 months later give access to Peter at Swindon Council or HMRC.
    I've always imagined they could have info on people as they grow up, embarassing stuff perhaps, use it against the person if they reach a prominent position in some field, particularly politics. You could quite easily manipulate someone to back your agenda. Think of all the stupid stuff people do on the internet, gold mine for powerful groups.

    /Tin foil hat off

    On the other side, the second they use that and it backfires, game over. Much like Google if they actually sold your personal info rather than targeted ads.
  • Fab4 24 Jun 2013 17:49:42 7,699 posts
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    @Load_2.0

    The data they collect is only saved for a short period of time. Even the meta-data. If its true that they are collecting shitloads** of the stuff, storing it becomes a physical impossibility, let alone processing it.


    ** Technical term.
  • razijaan 24 Jun 2013 18:53:08 2 posts
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    http://www.visa2tour.com/?p=18486
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The bizarre journey of Edward Snowden is far from over. After spending a night in Moscow's airport, the former National Security Agency contractor — and admitted leaker of state secrets — was expected to fly to Cuba and Venezuela en route to possible asylum in Ecuador.[link url=Put_link_here]Description_here[http://www.visa2tour.com/?p=18486]

    Edited by razijaan at 18:53:49 24-06-2013
  • mal 24 Jun 2013 22:27:06 25,951 posts
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    Heh, Jay Carney's claim Hong Kong allowing him to fly will worsen China-US relations seems a bit small fry. Surely the leak that the NSA are hacking Chinese systems will upset relations just a little more.
  • Deleted user 25 June 2013 08:49:04
    This subject has raised some serious concern in Germany - judging by two commentaries in Der Spiegel:

    The Public Must Fight for its Right to Privacy

    The fact that the Americans and the British -- it is yet to be revealed who else participated -- have granted themselves this enormous power, without ever informing their own people, is a scandal of historic proportions. To the initiated, all the recent public debate about data retention, Internet privacy and the practices of Facebook and Google must have been downright amusing. The state, as it turns out, knew everything all along.

    That was precisely the goal, according to the head of the NSA, Lieutenant General Keith Alexander. "Why can't we collect all the signals all the time?" he asked in an internal document acquired by the Guardian. "Sounds like a good summer project for Menwith," he continued, referring to a GCHQ facility at Menwith Hill in northern England.
    German National Security Is at Stake

    The totalitarianism of the security mindset protects itself with a sentence: If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. But firstly, that contains a presumption: We have not asked the NSA and GCHQ to "protect" us. And secondly, the sentence is a stupid one: Because we all have something to hide, whether it pertains to our private lives or to our business secrets.
  • TheRealBadabing 25 Jun 2013 09:17:26 1,569 posts
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    Alipan wrote:
    Load_2.0 wrote:
    The problem is that while MI5 or the CIA might not give it shit if you mix your plastic and paper recycling or paid the right amount of tax the info is saved.

    And at some point why not categorise it and 6 months later give access to Peter at Swindon Council or HMRC.
    If as a by-product of catching terrorists we also snare a few tax dodgers and lazy re-cyclers then Im all for it.
    Or, to look at it another way:

    "If as a by-product of having unprecedented control over every citizen's life, we also snare a few people with brown skin then yay!"
  • TheSaint 25 Jun 2013 09:20:27 16,582 posts
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    Are you suggesting that most lazy recyclers have brown skin?

    Racist!
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