Kanye West - A 21st-Century great? Page 6

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  • localnotail 26 Jun 2013 14:55:56 23,093 posts
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    Outstanding news, k-mong, cheers.

    In other news, this just in: when you discover someone has you on ignore, contacting that person to discover why is unlikely to elicit a response.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • craigy Staff 26 Jun 2013 15:00:45 7,722 posts
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    It's popular hip-hop, which contains rap. You can be all three at once!
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 15:02:49 60,483 posts
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    Pop-hop.

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  • localnotail 26 Jun 2013 15:05:43 23,093 posts
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    We got both kinds. We got Country and Western :D

    So... is it all like Marilyn Manson with rap on top? That was a serious question. Black Skinhead sounds like he's just discovered industrial music. Does he cover the Beatnigs on this album?

    Edited by localnotail at 15:10:01 26-06-2013

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 15:22:17 88,451 posts
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    craigy wrote:
    It's popular hip-hop, which contains rap. You can be all three at once!
    Yeah, it obviously is hip-hop (was being facetious), but it's way down the accessible mainstream end. It's essentially hip hop for people that like pop music.
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 15:24:43 60,483 posts
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    I *really* like da beatz but, again, im not massively keen on him as an MC.

    He does drop a good hook.

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  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 15:48:47
    kalel wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    It's popular hip-hop, which contains rap. You can be all three at once!
    Yeah, it obviously is hip-hop (was being facetious), but it's way down the accessible mainstream end. It's essentially hip hop for people that like pop music.
    The only thing I would say to slightly disagree with that is there's no way I could put Yeezus on in front of my mum.

    Edited by HairyArse at 15:55:35 26-06-2013
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 15:50:31 60,483 posts
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    Does she only like music with proper instruments and people singing rather than talking?

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  • Deckard1 26 Jun 2013 15:53:14 28,743 posts
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    No Kayne West just makes her really horny. Aggressively so.

    Edited by Deckard1 at 15:53:25 26-06-2013
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 15:55:06 60,483 posts
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    She was the genetic wellspring for the smoulder DNA.

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  • mrpon 26 Jun 2013 15:56:00 29,191 posts
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    He has to park his pink Land Rover round the corner as well when he visits.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • thedaveeyres 26 Jun 2013 16:07:05 11,275 posts
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    HairyArse's mum twerking so close to your face you can feel the wind rushing through your hair is the eighth wonder of the world. So I've been told.

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  • Alastair 26 Jun 2013 16:07:51 16,058 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    In other news, this just in: when you discover someone has you on ignore, contacting that person to discover why is unlikely to elicit a response.

    Ho ho - nice work local.
  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:21:37 88,451 posts
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    HairyArse wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    It's popular hip-hop, which contains rap. You can be all three at once!
    Yeah, it obviously is hip-hop (was being facetious), but it's way down the accessible mainstream end. It's essentially hip hop for people that like pop music.
    The only thing I would say to slightly disagree with that is there's no way I could put Yeezus on in front of my mum.
    I'm sure you can get a radio friendly version of the album, which kinda enforces my point.
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 16:27:42
    Surely you can make anything radio-friendly?
  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:29:20 88,451 posts
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    You can, but that doesn't mean they do.
  • thedaveeyres 26 Jun 2013 16:30:14 11,275 posts
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    HairyArse wrote:
    Surely you can make anything radio-friendly?

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  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:31:32 88,451 posts
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    Anyway, there's more commercial hip hop that's sweary and aggressive than there is underground stuff. Most of that shit is done because they know that white 15 year olds think it's cool.
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 16:36:24
    Kanye west last two solo albums had one radio friendly track. All of the lights.

    Since graduation he hasn't made albums for the radio, he has strived to make good music.

    Mdbtf, cruel summer and yeezus are not radio single material.
  • thedaveeyres 26 Jun 2013 16:39:30 11,275 posts
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    There's no single on Yeezus, at all.

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  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:39:40 88,451 posts
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    He strives to make good commercial music.
  • Kay 26 Jun 2013 16:42:23 17,921 posts
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    He strives to push the boundaries of hip-hop and make music that straddles genres. That's exactly why MBDTF was so highly-rated.
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 16:43:43 60,483 posts
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    just because there isnt an immediately obvious single, it doesnt mean that the album, as a whole, isnt commercial.

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  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:43:48 88,451 posts
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    Straddles the pop and rock genres yes, and being very commercial in doing so, much like The Black Eyed Peas or whoever.

    He's not pushing any boundaries, people have been pulling off that trick for years.
  • nickthegun 26 Jun 2013 16:44:44 60,483 posts
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    Also, wasnt POWER the obvious single off the last one?

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  • kinky_mong 26 Jun 2013 16:45:48 10,451 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    Kanye west last two solo albums had one radio friendly track. All of the lights.
    And yet POWER was everywhere in 2011.

    All the eurogamers who actually play with each other on xbl rather than just post pseudointellectual pc handwringing bollocks on the forums, love the shit out of biggy.

  • Kay 26 Jun 2013 16:49:58 17,921 posts
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    Comparing Kanye to Black Eyed Peas is doing him a huge disservice, imo. It's a laughable comparison really.

    Just because he doesn't fit into the mold of "traditional" hip-hop anymore, doesn't necessarily make him pop, and doesn't mean he deserves to be placed in the same bracket as R&B party song groups.

    In fact, I listened to the latest RA the Rugged Man album, and that honestly sounded more commercial to me than anything on Yeezus!
  • thedaveeyres 26 Jun 2013 16:50:34 11,275 posts
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    He be trollin'.

    Braap braap.

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  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 16:53:38 88,451 posts
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    I'm not saying his music is comparable quality to Black Eyed Peas, just that it's in a similar arena for what it's trying to do, and it really is. It's commercial crossoever stuff.

    And just because it's pop doesn't make it bad. Why be so defensive about it? Are you too cool to admit you like pop music? Do you only feel validated if your music taste is hardcore and underground?

    As for the RA the Rugges Man thing, i've honestly no idea how you could call that commercial, although there was that one song about his dead dad which was unusually soft for him admittedly. Not quite the same thing though, but yeah, could see that crossing over and getting mainstream popularity.
  • Kay 26 Jun 2013 17:00:33 17,921 posts
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    Nah, I like pop. More than happy to admit it, I wouldn't be defensive about it all. I've listened to and enjoyed far more embarrassing artists than Kanye!

    RA the Rugged Man's album was far more conservative and commercial, to me - extremely radio-friendly party beats and him doing a lot of rapping about girls and clubs. Sure, technically he may be a brilliant rapper, but I didn't think much of the album. The song about his dad was one of the few highlights for me.

    Anyway, Kanye's music certainly is crossover, but in a good way. It's pop in the same way The Beatles were once considered pop (not that I'm implying for one second that he's as good or influential as them).
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