Kanye West - A 21st-Century great? Page 5

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  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 10:51:49
    I like Kanye and thought he'd be above rapping about bitches and cars.

    Though obviously I realise there's a whole half I haven't listened to, and making snap judgements based on half a listen only makes me look stupid, but still...
  • M83J01P97 26 Jun 2013 11:05:23 6,661 posts
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    Above rapping about cars and girls?

    That's all he has ever rapped about, even on the brilliant MBDTF.

    I tend to think his talent lies in the producing side of music.
  • Kay 26 Jun 2013 11:10:31 17,894 posts
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    Nah, his lyrical content never changes - it's the production that makes it spectacular. The album is full of naff lines ("swag-hili?), but he can get away with it because of the often witty and playful delivery.

    If you like Kanye and want something more interesting lyrically, try Watch the Throne with Jay-Z - it's quite a bit deeper than just the usual rapping about bitches and cars (although there's a bit of that in there too).
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 11:42:19
    Just cars and bitches?

    So just on yeezus there is racism, divorce, sex, challenging stereotypes amongst other things.

    Yeah rap is just about cars and girls.....


    Interestingly I found watch the throne more about bling bling than either of Kanye last two solo albums. Yes there are a few other tracks like murder to excellence but found it all about their private jets etc otherwise.

    Money, bling chat has held jay z back from being the best.
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 11:43:31
    I'm not saying that. Just saying I didn't expect that from Yeezus.

    I don't know the first thing about rap music. I was just somewhat perplexed by all the crowing I've heard about Yeezus when I heard *some* of the lyrics. I think that's a fair observation.

    Edited by HairyArse at 11:49:36 26-06-2013
  • M83J01P97 26 Jun 2013 11:52:59 6,661 posts
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    It's more to do with the fact that as huge as he is, he isn't just turning out albums that sound the same over and over again.

    It's a horrible analogy but he's almost become like the Radiohead of rap by going out of his way to make music which is totally different to what you expect from a multi-million album selling rap artist.
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 11:53:52
    Musically maybe. Lyrically, not so much.

    Edited by HairyArse at 11:54:00 26-06-2013
  • M83J01P97 26 Jun 2013 11:56:56 6,661 posts
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    No.

    Mainstream rap stopped having interesting lyrics a long time ago, but with Kanye it's all part of his image in a way, something which he backs up with quality music production.
  • kinky_mong 26 Jun 2013 12:28:54 10,295 posts
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    I thought the new The Lonely Island album shat all over Yeezus both lyrically and musically to be honest. I know that opinion won't be shared by many.

    All the eurogamers who actually play with each other on xbl rather than just post pseudointellectual pc handwringing bollocks on the forums, love the shit out of biggy.

  • EMarkM 26 Jun 2013 12:47:07 3,174 posts
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    Choppi wrote:
    If you are between 18 and 40 I am genuinely concerned.
    Thanks for your response.

    I'm not in the age bracket you mentioned but, reading on, it seems that the artist performs in a style of which I am genuinely completely ignorant, so it's no surprise that I haven't heard of them before.
  • Deleted user 26 June 2013 13:05:45
    It's all about the production for me. Care little about the rap content (unless it is hard to ignore: see 50 and his crew of spastics) and not a fan of his delivery (voice etc.) but he is just a brilliant producer. Don't listen to hip hop/rap any more but that doesn't stop me appreciating a well produced album like this. Also doesn't change the fact that 2001 is still my fav album ever.
  • Rhaegyr 26 Jun 2013 13:09:23 1,738 posts
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    Yeezus is a massive disappointment - as I've stated earlier, it's good (but inconsistent) beats marred by awful lyrics and poor delivery from Kanye. He may have blown away all the good will he'd built up with his solid back catalogue with this - it lacks the charm and charisma that made him so likeable for the past decade.

    To quote a review - "the whole album sounds like a 14 year old turning up his stereo to piss off his parents".

    Also - using a sample from the massively important (for many reasons) 'Strange Fruit' just to moan about how he gets stiffed on alimony payments? One of many terrible decisions across the album.

    It's all been downhill since MBDTF and I'm baffled Watch The Throne can be classed as deep when both rappers speak about nothing but their own luxuries. Great beats, though.
  • Armoured_Bear 26 Jun 2013 13:14:02 11,282 posts
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    You want decent lyrics, get Tricks of the Shade by The Goats.

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  • Kay 26 Jun 2013 13:17:52 17,894 posts
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    Rhaegyr wrote:
    I'm baffled Watch The Throne can be classed as deep when both rappers speak about nothing but their own luxuries. Great beats, though.
    I'm thinking specifically about tracks like New Day, Murder to Excellence and No Church in the Wild. It was actually surprisingly a lot less about bling bling than I expected, considering the title and cover of the album.
  • FrostPan 26 Jun 2013 13:17:53 218 posts
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    As expected like his previous work, the production on the album is stellar. Unfortunately some of the lyrical content on this record feels awfully lazy and rushed,(particularly 'Guilt Trip' and 'I'm in it').

    I still find it a great album though, but it wasn't quite I was expected. This is probably the first Kanye album I've actually questioned regarding lyrical quality. Sonically, it's great, but it didn't have the wow factor that I felt with his previous two albums.
  • Rhaegyr 26 Jun 2013 13:21:12 1,738 posts
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    Kay wrote:
    Rhaegyr wrote:
    I'm baffled Watch The Throne can be classed as deep when both rappers speak about nothing but their own luxuries. Great beats, though.
    I'm thinking specifically about tracks like New Day, Murder to Excellence and No Church in the Wild. It was actually surprisingly a lot less about bling bling than I expected, considering the title and cover of the album.
    I can agree with that - incidentally, they're probably my most favoured tracks off that LP.
  • localnotail 26 Jun 2013 14:14:42 23,093 posts
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    So, does it all sound like Marilyn Manson or is that just "Black Skinhead"?

    kinky_mong wrote:
    I thought the new The Lonely Island album shat all over Yeezus both lyrically and musically to be honest. I know that opinion won't be shared by many.
    There's a new Lonely Island album? \o/

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Armoured_Bear 26 Jun 2013 14:21:46 11,282 posts
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    It's interesting that people go on and on about his amazing production skills yet the mastering on MBDTF is laughable bad, brickwalled to shit, clipping all over the place and zero dynamics.
    A complete waste.

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  • Deckard1 26 Jun 2013 14:26:13 28,041 posts
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    The thought of you listening to hip hop is fucking hilarious
  • localnotail 26 Jun 2013 14:31:51 23,093 posts
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    That's nice. Why?

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Zizoo 26 Jun 2013 14:32:48 8,384 posts
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  • Deckard1 26 Jun 2013 14:33:05 28,041 posts
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    Do you have ecosse on ignore?
  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 14:33:48 87,753 posts
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    It's ok, this isn't hip hop.
  • localnotail 26 Jun 2013 14:33:57 23,093 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Do you have ecosse on ignore?
    Ahhh. As you were.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Deckard1 26 Jun 2013 14:35:08 28,041 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    It's ok, this isn't hip hop.
    What is it then? Rap?
  • graysonavich 26 Jun 2013 14:35:19 7,355 posts
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    That's how you do it kids.
  • mrpon 26 Jun 2013 14:35:47 28,939 posts
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    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • kalel 26 Jun 2013 14:36:00 87,753 posts
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    Pop.
  • Deckard1 26 Jun 2013 14:36:37 28,041 posts
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    Pop?! Oh no you didn't.
  • kinky_mong 26 Jun 2013 14:47:29 10,295 posts
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    kinky_mong wrote:
    I thought the new The Lonely Island album shat all over Yeezus both lyrically and musically to be honest. I know that opinion won't be shared by many.
    There's a new Lonely Island album? \o/ Damn straight Motherlover. The Wack Album is on Spotify and other streaming services.

    All the eurogamers who actually play with each other on xbl rather than just post pseudointellectual pc handwringing bollocks on the forums, love the shit out of biggy.

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