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  • JinTypeNoir 24 Apr 2013 20:01:47 4,386 posts
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    Well, Jason Schreier of Kotaku certainly is.

    Dragon's Crown is coming out this summer on the PS3 and Vita. It is a 2D hack and slash brawler in the grand tradition of stuff like Knights of the Round, Golden Axe, Shadows over Mystara or Guardian Heroes. It takes everything to the nth degree in terms of character and environmental design, like much of Vanillaware's games.

    It has six playable characters to choose from. the wizard like this.

    as this article helpfully points out some of the latest history and art homages in his work.

    Kamitani also loves to provoke, so he left a reply to Kotaku's article on Facebook, a reply in the form of a humorous picture.

    Cue endless internet whining on how immature Kamitani is, not Schreier, but Kamitani.

    I have a public service announcement. If you are on Kotaku's side on this, there is a high chance you are a moron. People who claim Kamitani's reply is clearly an attack on Schreier saying he is gay have just as clearly lost their mind. Whatever Kamitani is trying to say with his reply, only two things can be gleaned from it:

    1) It's a reference to a character and style that exists within Dragon's Crown

    2) It is, like the sorceress, highly exaggerated for effect

    That's all. Any asinine sociological message you may take from the sorceress or Kamitani's reply are your hangups. There are real examples of sexism and misogyny in the game industry. Dragon's Crown is not a good target to direct for any of it. (It's like attacking Starship Troopers for heavy violence.) Claiming the high ground on this game as if to not be offended is to be homophobic or blind to sexism is perhaps the stupidest thing I've heard all year in this stupid, scandal-ridden industry.
  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 20:02:54
    What if you don't give a fuck either way? What then?
  • Deckard1 24 Apr 2013 20:03:24 27,981 posts
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    No one gives a fuck Brian
  • neilka 24 Apr 2013 20:03:25 15,914 posts
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    meme wrote:
    What if you don't give a fuck either way? What then?
    MORON

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • Chopsen 24 Apr 2013 20:05:35 15,980 posts
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    You're a 14 year old boy, aren't you?
  • JinTypeNoir 24 Apr 2013 20:08:08 4,386 posts
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    meme wrote:
    What if you don't give a fuck either way? What then?
    You may be a cow, a tea cosy or a potato. Contact me to find out. Standard phone rates may apply.
  • Whizzo 24 Apr 2013 20:10:38 43,124 posts
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    What are you if you just think the art is rubbish?

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  • nickthegun 24 Apr 2013 20:11:01 59,912 posts
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    Another xenophobic attack on western journalism. Disgusting.

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  • nickthegun 24 Apr 2013 20:12:17 59,912 posts
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    Also this:

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  • JinTypeNoir 24 Apr 2013 20:14:35 4,386 posts
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    Whizzo wrote:
    What are you if you just think the art is rubbish?
    A recycle bin.

    Tycho, from Penny Arcade's comment, to go with the above strip:
    Apparently [Dragon's Crown]ís not everybodyís heartsong! Thatís what I read. They donít like the gameís ridiculously, freakishly, borderline scarily rendered ďwomanĒ and to a certain extent I can understand why.

    You probably donít have to guess how I feel about this latest round of compulsory swaying and fainting, so much like an old timey Tent Revival, complete with its hopping devil and its perpetually put upon holy warriors. But letís try to look at whatís actually here on the plate.

    What would Vanillaware do with something that isnít as readily interpreted through a cultural lens, say, a piece of text like the words ďDragonís CrownĒ? Iím connected to a global network whose language is light; itís not hard to find out.





    I think itís fair to say that if it werenít for the words ďDragonís CrownĒ etched at the bottom, many people wouldnít understand that they were looking at language. Imagine the same refracting prism applied to people, and actually you donít have to imagine it, because thatís literally the whole game.

    The only characters here who arenít fucking mutants are the Elf and the Wizard, who are there to calibrate the player; everybody else is some fun-house exponent of strength or beauty stretched into some haunted sigil. Iconic isnít even the word - they donít evoke icons, they are icons. Theyíre humans as primal symbols.

    Itís very weird to pull up a story about a game with frankly visionary art and hear why it shouldnít exist, or to hear what I supposedly fantasize about, or what kind of power I supposedly revere, and any attempt to defend oneself from these psychotic projections or to assert that creators may create is evidence of a dark seed sprouting in the heart. Itís an incredible state of affairs. Theyíre not censors, though - oh, no no. Youíll understand it eventually; what you need to do is censor yourself.
    Edited by JinTypeNoir at 20:15:37 24-04-2013
  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 20:16:34
    Bet he's still able to make a point in less that five thousand fucking words though. Tool.
  • Dougs 24 Apr 2013 20:16:46 67,696 posts
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    Hatstand. Totally hat stand
  • M83J01P97 24 Apr 2013 20:19:53 6,654 posts
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    Everyone knows holding a magical staff with your sphincter is the only way to correctly cast spells. So I see nothing wrong here... It's just a shame Harry Potter didn't learn this lesson.
  • lordofthedunce 24 Apr 2013 20:23:04 375 posts
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    'you may be a moron'

    like I need an invitation
  • Whizzo 24 Apr 2013 20:25:07 43,124 posts
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    JinTypeNoir wrote:
    Whizzo wrote:
    What are you if you just think the art is rubbish?
    A recycle bin.
    Oh a non sequitur, at least it's short.

    Edited by Whizzo at 20:25:42 24-04-2013

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  • Bremenacht 24 Apr 2013 20:26:05 18,242 posts
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    M83J01P97 wrote:
    Everyone knows holding a magical staff with your sphincter is the only way to correctly cast spells. So I see nothing wrong here... It's just a shame Harry Potter didn't learn this lesson.
    She could hold my magic staff with her cheeks. I wager many a spell would come out, arf arf.
  • neilka 24 Apr 2013 20:42:26 15,914 posts
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    JinTypeNoir wrote:
    Whizzo wrote:
    What are you if you just think the art is rubbish?
    A recycle bin.

    Tycho, from Penny Arcade's comment, to go with the above strip:
    Apparently [Dragon's Crown]ís not everybodyís heartsong! Thatís what I read. They donít like the gameís ridiculously, freakishly, borderline scarily rendered ďwomanĒ and to a certain extent I can understand why.

    You probably donít have to guess how I feel about this latest round of compulsory swaying and fainting, so much like an old timey Tent Revival, complete with its hopping devil and its perpetually put upon holy warriors. But letís try to look at whatís actually here on the plate.

    What would Vanillaware do with something that isnít as readily interpreted through a cultural lens, say, a piece of text like the words ďDragonís CrownĒ? Iím connected to a global network whose language is light; itís not hard to find out.





    I think itís fair to say that if it werenít for the words ďDragonís CrownĒ etched at the bottom, many people wouldnít understand that they were looking at language. Imagine the same refracting prism applied to people, and actually you donít have to imagine it, because thatís literally the whole game.

    The only characters here who arenít fucking mutants are the Elf and the Wizard, who are there to calibrate the player; everybody else is some fun-house exponent of strength or beauty stretched into some haunted sigil. Iconic isnít even the word - they donít evoke icons, they are icons. Theyíre humans as primal symbols.

    Itís very weird to pull up a story about a game with frankly visionary art and hear why it shouldnít exist, or to hear what I supposedly fantasize about, or what kind of power I supposedly revere, and any attempt to defend oneself from these psychotic projections or to assert that creators may create is evidence of a dark seed sprouting in the heart. Itís an incredible state of affairs. Theyíre not censors, though - oh, no no. Youíll understand it eventually; what you need to do is censor yourself.
    why does he write like a cunt

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 20:47:02
    Who cares what anyone from Kotaku thinks?
  • neilka 24 Apr 2013 20:48:20 15,914 posts
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    JinTypeNoir reads it so he can have an angry wank over people GETTING JAPAN WRONG.

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • Waffleaber 24 Apr 2013 21:05:06 411 posts
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    That art-eater article is worthless. It's a fantasy game, they all take at least some inspiration from Greek/Roman art and legend. The Babel tower is interesting but the rest is really reaching.

    Also seeing the Templer from Last Crusade as a reference followed by Conan the Barbarian made me laugh pretty hard.
  • grey_matters 24 Apr 2013 21:08:26 3,750 posts
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    lordofthedunce wrote:
    'you may be a moron'

    like I need an invitation
    :)
  • bobdebob 24 Apr 2013 21:16:29 587 posts
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    Couldn't give a shit if the Kotaku article is right or wrong.

    The artwork is quite shit to be honest.
  • disusedgenius 24 Apr 2013 21:22:22 5,316 posts
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    To be fair, when a guy draws you 3 naked Zangiefs as a rebuttal, there's only one way to take it.
  • jonsaan 24 Apr 2013 21:37:20 25,352 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    To be fair, when a guy draws you 3 naked Zangiefs as a rebuttal, there's only one way to take it.
    Up the arse?

    FCUTA!

  • President_Weasel 24 Apr 2013 21:51:44 9,302 posts
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    That sorceress art looks like it's been made by someone with the mind and hormones of a 13 year old boy and the art skills of someone who is pretty good at drawing.

    I'm not sure I feel the need to be all HURGLEBLURGLE! BAN THIS SICK FILTH! RHUBARBRHUBARB! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN? but it does put me off the game a little. Maybe put your tits away, if you're going to do some sorcery? It's not a strip club game, is it, and I've misunderstood?

    If you feel I am misunderstanding an important cultural whatever or disrespecting an important artistic artist's importantly artistic art, well that's like, your opinion, man. I'm entitled to mine; I am entitled to feel mild contempt for a childishly oversexualised drawing, and then go about my day.
  • elstoof 24 Apr 2013 21:53:14 7,328 posts
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    Has George Kamitani got some kind of dirt on you to get so defensive on his his behalf? Is he your uncle? Your pederast?
  • Mr-Brett 24 Apr 2013 21:54:00 12,790 posts
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    The whole thing is pretty dumb whichever way you look at it.

    Level 37 Social Justice Warrior

  • Shikasama 24 Apr 2013 21:57:57 6,832 posts
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    I think it's juvenile and shit.

    That is literally all the words I have on the subject
  • dominalien 24 Apr 2013 21:59:34 6,860 posts
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    Sex sells. The western world tries to pretend it isn't so and we all nod our heads sagely when someone says we should only appreciate women for their brains, but the Japanese have got the right of it. Women are awesome for the way they look and drawn women are even awesomer for the way they can look like no real woman ever would.

    PSN: DonOsito

  • Shikasama 24 Apr 2013 22:01:03 6,832 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    Sex sells. The western world tries to pretend it isn't so and we all nod our heads sagely when someone says we should only appreciate women for their brains, but the Japanese have got the right of it. Women are awesome for the way they look and drawn women are even awesomer for the way they can look like no real woman ever would.
    Not technically true that, many studies show that if 'sex sells' is used out of a logical context or is too overt, it has the opposite effect as men find it insulting.

    So nyer.
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