Is this gaming PC fairly well future proofed?

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  • IronGiant 23 Apr 2013 21:45:03 4,613 posts
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    I know the phrase 'future proofed' is a bit difficult to quantify when it comes to PCs but i want a system that is reasonably well spec'd for the next couple of years anyway and with a decent foundation to be tweaked as and when required.

    Any views on this setup? I know it's cheaper to buy bits off the shelf and build yourself but i haven't got the time or desire to do that, the family are buying this system between us as we have a relative who's very very ill and he loves PC gaming.. his current system is about 10 years old so a new system will really give him some pleasure.

    This is the spec for the Chillblast Fusion Firebird which got very good reviews recently, obviously the bits can be tweaked for extra cost. Out budget is upto around 1300.

    Intel Core i7 3770K "Ivy Bridge" overclocked to up to 4.6GHz
    Akasa Nero 3 Silent CPU Cooler
    Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard
    16GB 1600MHZ DDR3 RAM
    GeForce GTX Kepler 680 Video Card
    120GB Intel 330 Series SSD Drive
    2000GB SATA Hard Disk
    LG Blu Ray Combi Drive
    Corsair 600W Power Supply
    Windows 8 64bit

    I assume upgrading the gfx card to 4GB is a wise move?

    Thanks in advance!

    Link to system here: Firebird
  • SuperBas 23 Apr 2013 21:47:50 1,483 posts
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    What kind of cooling paste are you using?

    Edit: I see Arctic Silver in that link. Definitely get that.

    Double edit: i7 processors are a waste of money if you're only playing videogames. The difference between that and the i5's is the i7 has hyperthreading, a technique not used by games. Get the i5 3570K and save money.

    Edited by SuperBas at 21:56:57 23-04-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 21:57:37 6,521 posts
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    Yeah more video ram is definitely wise.
    You could probably buy those components more cheaply and build it, but that's a very very powerful setup.

    Without moving to stupid money that's about the most powerful thing you could buy. (Anything more powerful would provide very little performance increase)

    The only alternative would be two 670's in sli, which would need a bigger PSU and maybe extra internal fan. (Prob add about 200 to cost) But frankly a 680 will be more than enough really.
  • IronGiant 23 Apr 2013 21:59:56 4,613 posts
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    Ok will do.

    Recommendations on games welcome too.. he's into RPGs and games like Age of Empires as well as Bioshock.. in fact he is a big fan of the System Shock games. tBear in mind though that this PC won't be used online.

    I'm thinking of getting him The Witcher 2, Dragon Age Origins, Skyrim, Starcraft 2, Bioshock Infinite to get started with.
  • SuperBas 23 Apr 2013 22:02:22 1,483 posts
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    Btw, what resolution is the monitor at? If it's a standard 1080p screen, you really don't need 4GB of ram on your videocard. I can play most current games very well on just 1GB (HD5870).

    And unless he wants to watch blu ray movies on his pc, get a dvd burner instead of a blu ray one, save money.

    Edited by SuperBas at 22:05:37 23-04-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 22:03:31 6,521 posts
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    Superbas' point is reasonable.

    An i7 won't add much performance over an i5 for the money. Either will be excellent long term gaming processors.

    The other option is the top of the line 8core AMD. Gaming performance will be a little below the intel now, but the number of cores may prove an advantage in the next 12 months.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 22:06:52 6,521 posts
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    Actually I'd say if the price difference isn't huge go for extra video ram. The new consoles have lots of it so you'd expect new games to be more tooled to it.

    Borderlands 2 is half rpg half FPS, loads of content and you can probably pick it up cheap ish now. The 670 or 680 graphics cards come with a couple of free games if you buy them to build yourself.
  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 22:15:00
    @RobTheBuilder

    With a bigger emphasis on video card memory size for UE4, I would suggest you start advising LGA2011 setups instead(or AMD's fast memory systems as the budget option) because the bigger the vram the more PCIExpress transfers.

    PCIExpress 3.0 can DMA 16GB/sec from main memory to the VRAM, so a system like the OP listed using all that PCIExpress bandwidth will be starving the CPU's 8 logical cores. As it will only have 9GB/s left (25GB/sec 16GB/sec = 9GB/s). By comparison a LGA2011 system will have nearly 4 times that amount at 35GB/s. So even if the PCIExpress 4.0 specification was possible via firmware for LGA2011 systems, there definitely isn't enough spare memory bandwidth to implement PCIE 4.0 on LGA1155 socketed systems.
  • Steve_Perry 23 Apr 2013 22:18:08 5,004 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    @RobTheBuilder

    With a bigger emphasis on video card memory size for UE4, I would suggest you start advising LGA2011 setups instead(or AMD's fast memory systems as the budget option) because the bigger the vram the more PCIExpress transfers.

    PCIExpress 3.0 can DMA 16GB/sec from main memory to the VRAM, so a system like the OP listed using all that PCIExpress bandwidth will be starving the CPU's 8 logical cores. As it will only have 9GB/s left (25GB/sec 16GB/sec = 9GB/s). By comparison a LGA2011 system will have nearly 4 times that amount at 35GB/s. So even if the PCIExpress 4.0 specification was possible via firmware for LGA2011 systems, there definitely isn't enough spare memory bandwidth to implement PCIE 4.0 on LGA1155 socketed systems.


    Edited by Steve_Perry at 22:22:36 23-04-2013

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  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 22:19:01 6,521 posts
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    @vizzini but are there any disadvantages to lga2011?
  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 22:32:11
    @RobTheBuilder

    You get what you pay for in life(if you are lucky), so no, it is a much better gamble than spending that extra money on the GPU that will need replacing when the new console's game engines arrive.

    Spending small on mobo/CPU and big on GPU is false economy, it always has been. If you've been in system building more than 5years, you should know this. You give honest advice and mean well, but notice how all the people that do real hardware testing run Pentium class systems, not Celeron dual channel systems?
  • Lukus 23 Apr 2013 22:35:03 19,363 posts
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    I need a new fridge. Recommend me a fridge Vizz. It needs to be able to hold lots of eggs. And survive the next generation of fridges.

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  • Metalfish 23 Apr 2013 22:36:03 8,865 posts
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    Can I be boring and point out that you should wait until the consoles are actually around?
  • dominalien 23 Apr 2013 22:38:01 7,030 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    I need a new fridge. Recommend me a fridge Vizz. It needs to be able to hold lots of eggs. And survive the next generation of fridges.
    There's no way that'll happen. Have you seen I, Robot? The new fridges will come and rip your old fridge to shreds.

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  • Lukus 23 Apr 2013 22:42:49 19,363 posts
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    That's not cool...

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  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 22:48:47 6,521 posts
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    @vizzini But what is the cost difference to LGA2011 though? I agree in principle about not skimping on CPU, but the next gen of CPU'd aren't likely to have much of a performance boost, so a top end i5 or i7 should still be an excellent component in 2-3 years.
  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 23:02:10
    @RobTheBuilder

    Everything in a PC running at full tilt will be limited by memory size and bandwidth eventually over the system's life.

    In the LGA1155 step-up it is quite possible that when the GPU transfers are at full load under UE4, there won't bet enough spare memory bandwidth to task anything more than an i3 processor.

    I know that people keep looking at how PC games are not scaling to use more cores and thinking that CPUs are unimportant now. But at the start of every generation the budget PC herd get cut adrift, and the people with top heavy GPU systems invariable replace CPU/Motherboard and memory.

    The Cheapest 4GB GPU is 300 more than a 650 ti, and the LGA2011 system will be 300 more than LGA1155 setup. The difference being that throwing away 100 GPU and buying a new 100 GPU is cheap, compared to throwing away the 300 mobo/CPU/memory and spending another 300, and all the hassle of a full rebuild and OS validation change.

    Edited by vizzini at 23:05:11 23-04-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 23:03:55 6,521 posts
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    @vizzini So is the AMD 8 core setup (as in DF) a decent alternative?
  • Dirtbox 23 Apr 2013 23:04:02 78,833 posts
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    Why the fuck would anyone need a 4gb GPU? Do you even know what memory is used for in a graphics card?

    Anyway, does irongiant really have to make a thread for each and every tiny PC related brainfart?

    Edited by Dirtbox at 23:07:14 23-04-2013

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  • superdelphinus 23 Apr 2013 23:05:00 8,125 posts
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    cute
  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 23:06:18
    @RobTheBuilder

    Yeah it is probably the better buy imo, so long as they got it up to PCIE 3.0. iirc when I bought they were still stuck on PCIExpress 2.0
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 23:09:56 6,521 posts
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    @vizzini Makes sense. Given the top of the range 8core AMD is cheaper than the top i5, that's a decent buy.
  • Bremenacht 23 Apr 2013 23:28:23 19,403 posts
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    @OP

    vizzini is a fake. A troll. You'd do very well to ignore any advice he gives in this thread.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 23:31:36 6,521 posts
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    @Bremenacht That's a little harsh. I'd say instead, ignore any advice unless backed up by a couple of others.. ;)
  • dominalien 23 Apr 2013 23:34:11 7,030 posts
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    @Bremenacht

    I wouldn't worry about that. In order to not-ignore his advice the OP, or anyone else for that matter, would first have to understand what the hell he was saying.

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  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 23:35:41
    @Bremenacht

    I didn't give advice to the OP. I'm having a technical discussion with Rob about the underlying merits of different motherboard options. But to bring you into the conversation, lets see if you can answer a simple question.

    What is Intel's replacement socket technology for LGA1155 and LGA2011 and why?
  • Bremenacht 23 Apr 2013 23:40:35 19,403 posts
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    You are a fake. If it's a conversation you've started, then I'm not joining it. I'd rather talk to someone who actually knows what they're on about, then someone who c/p stuff from whatever tech site they've happened to have read recently.

    Oh, and if you're going to c/p stuff that someone else went to the trouble of writing, how about linking back to that site rather than leave an implication that you wrote it yourself.
  • Deleted user 23 April 2013 23:51:38
    @Bremenacht

    Good one. Are you being serious? Because that's slander! Easy there.

    I've been building my systems since an 80286, it is all simple maths today, given the listed specifications at our finger tips on the internet. It is easy to think about how one feature impacts another. It is hardly difficult. Even you could have deduced these things as an original thought process. Well maybe not ;)
  • Dirtbox 23 Apr 2013 23:52:31 78,833 posts
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    It should be pointed out that viz is future proofing a system against a future that will never come to be.

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