Some Help on Upgrades Please.

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  • werewolf_poo 22 Apr 2013 17:11:32 166 posts
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    Hi guys,

    Been reading quite a few PC upgrade threads and was wanting some advice on my rig.

    I want to be able to play games in 1080p and sometimes through my living room telly.

    I basically want to know if I need a new motherboard or not. I havent been into building rigs since the late 90's so I'm kinda lost with todays terminology etc..

    Other queries I have are:

    How come there are so many companies selling the same graphics cards? Do they basically buy the components from, for example, AMD then add there own bits and bobs or what.....as you can see I am bit lost. What brand do I choose? :/ I have been reading about the 660 and 670 but when I google it I get all these strange unheard of companies selling the same thing.

    Is there a type of RAM I should be using for future proofing? It says on Crucial that my MB can handle 16 Gig of Ram but does not show me the option to buy 4x4gb modules.

    I also heard it was a good idea to install an SSD to run windows from, is this worth it?

    The specs I have cobbled together last year for my current rig are as follows:

    CPU - Amd Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition
    Board - Gigabyte M720-US3
    RAM - 3x1gb DDR2
    GPU - Geforce 7900GS

    I have no idea what kind of power unit I have!

    If anyone can spare a few minutes to get me back on track I would appreciate your time.

    Edited by werewolf_poo at 17:13:55 22-04-2013
  • werewolf_poo 22 Apr 2013 23:30:03 166 posts
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    Nobody? :cry:
  • BeebleB 22 Apr 2013 23:33:45 925 posts
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    with that cpu there wouldnt be a huge deal of worth to putting a 670 in there, especially with so little ram. Maybe buy a newish i5 cpu, 8gigs of ram and a 660ti. whats your budget?

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  • werewolf_poo 22 Apr 2013 23:39:50 166 posts
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    Budgets not really the issue (within reason)

    So is my Motherboard fine then? SO I need an i5? Whats the alternative to the i5 again? I seem to remember someone saying the alternative would be better. AMD/Nvidia
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 00:08:51 6,521 posts
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    The motherboard is ok for what you have, but with ddr2 ram it would hold you back if you upgraded it much.

    The graphics card companies all manufacture their own versions of graphics cards. They are essentially all the same chip but with different coolers, overclocking and outputs.

    I think if you bought a good modern graphics card you might not get the best of it with that setup.

    SSD is an option, but by no means essential.

    You could get a new machine using i5 with a 660/670 for probably about £800/850. You'd likely need a new motherboard, ram and power supply to really do the graphics card justice. If it was me and you have the budget I'd say build a new system rather than upgrade.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 00:10:40 6,521 posts
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    I5 is the standard for a high spec machine, but some reports suggest an 8core AMD could be a better option in the coming few years.

    I can select some parts from ebuyer/scan for you if you like an have a budget
  • werewolf_poo 23 Apr 2013 00:34:09 166 posts
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    Hi Rob, yeah that would be great. I took some of your tips from that thread which that crazy vivazzi (?) guy hijacked. £750 is prob my budget at the mo
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 00:35:03 6,521 posts
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    @werewolf_poo ok. Ill take a look when I get on the pc
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 01:53:20 6,521 posts
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    @werewolf_poo If you go a little over you can get a very decent system...



    For some reason it won't save any higher res... so:



    Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor 349029 £183.88

    Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H Socket 1155 VGA DVI HDMI 7.1 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard 386271 £71.13

    Seagate 2TB BARRACUDA 3.5" SATA-III Hard Drive - 7200RPM 64MB Cache 319641 > 25 in stock £67.29 £67.29

    Liteon Ihas124 24x Dvd±rw (dual ±r)/ram Sata Drive (internal Black) 410560 > 200 in stock £13.90 £13.90

    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 259863 877 in stock £70.12 £70.12
    (Win 8 is about same price)

    Casecom 6788 All Black Case 172779 197 in stock £32.99 £32.99

    Antec Basiq VP550P - Power supply ( internal ) - ATX12V 2.3 - 80 PLUS - AC 200-240 V - 550 Watt - active PFC 278492 74 in stock £42.99 £42.99

    Asus GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card with FREE ASSASSINS CREED III Download Coupon + Metro Last Light game coupon 393522 £235.98

    Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz XMS3 Memory Kit CL9 1.65V 247677 £50.0


    Total £768.28 (not inc delivery)

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 01:57:12 23-04-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 02:04:01 6,521 posts
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    Detail::

    That's about the best processor you can get, and it should OC to 4ghz easily on the stock fan.

    The 660Ti graphics card is very close to the 670, which is about the peak point of power before costs go ridiculous, but about £55ish less than the cheapest 670.

    The Power unit is a good combination of reliable make, decent spec, and reasonable price. Never skimp on this part if you can.

    This unit will probably give you high quality gaming performance for at least 3-4 years.





    If you wanted to go with the alternate AMD setup - I'll add that below.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 02:11:07 6,521 posts
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    Comes to £722 with the AMD option. Which will probably be a little lower performing now, but might last a little better in the long run as it's more similar to the ones used in PS4/xbox720.


    To go AMD, swap the CPU and motherboard for these (you could opt for slightly better motherboard if you prefer):


    AMD FX-8350 4GHz Socket AM3+ 16MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor 409184 £155.96
    Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 Socket AM3+ 7.1 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard 349910 £53.40

    That processor is unlocked to allow overclocking, I've heard it does so quite well, but I don't know the specifics.

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 02:13:22 23-04-2013
  • werewolf_poo 23 Apr 2013 23:26:54 166 posts
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    Thanks very much Rob that is excellent help. Good man, much appreciated!

    Do you run a similiar system?
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 23:32:36 6,521 posts
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    @werewolf_poo I bloody wish! :)

    I've suggested similar for a couple of others, and they seem happy with them!

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 23:33:32 23-04-2013
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