Graphics Card upgrade (sigh)

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  • Shikasama 21 Apr 2013 18:58:32 6,827 posts
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    I never wanted to be that guy who posts a 'Wot graphics card' thread but I've reached a point where I need a new one and I don't know what I'm doing. I used to know a bit bout graphics cards when it was bigger numbers = better cards but now I've got no clue.

    I've currently got a Rdeon HD 5700 1GB DDR5 card which I've understood as OKish but not great. It's mostly felt like the graphics card is the main bottleneck (Phenom II processor, 16gb DDR3 RAM) s i want to upgrade. The funny part is I don't want to spend more than 150 ish.

    What am I looking at? I tried reading some of the DF articles on this very subject but understand about 25% of the text. One of my main concerns is compataiblity with the MB. I thought a PCI socket was a PCI socket but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore!

    (Also, surprised there isn't an 'official' thread for this sort of thing, seems to get asked a lot)

    Edited by Shikasama at 18:59:14 21-04-2013
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 19:01:39 2,657 posts
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    The Radeon 7850 is the card you want.
  • morriss 21 Apr 2013 19:02:14 70,975 posts
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    200 will get you a 660 Ti. Get that. Should see you through next gen.
  • munki83 21 Apr 2013 19:03:49 1,423 posts
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    7850 1gb go see the front page for why. I was tempted to get one to replace my 460
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Apr 2013 19:05:03 25,811 posts
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    Thanks to some forum help a few weeks ago I recently did a very similar upgrade from a 5770 to one of these:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/393396-asus-hd-7850-1gb-gddr5-dual-dvi-pci-e-graphics-card-hd7850-dc-1gd5

    Pretty chuffed with it so far and played through Bioshock Infinite without a hitch and everything cranked up to Ultra at 1080p
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 19:08:36 6,521 posts
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    I'd say 7850 or 660Ti depending on budget. Either of those will see you well for a few years.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 19:11:17 6,521 posts
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    Toms hardware says the new 650 Ti Boost 2gb (as shown on digital foundry article on EG) is the best card for 150 quid
  • superdelphinus 21 Apr 2013 19:13:13 8,059 posts
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    Sapphire 7850 oc 2gb edition -145 or so on amazon
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 19:15:00 2,657 posts
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    Nvidia drivers are much harder on the CPU than AMD ones in my experience so with a PII CPU I think the 7850 would be the better choice.
  • Shikasama 21 Apr 2013 19:22:23 6,827 posts
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    Is the PII not considered decent anymore either?

    I lean towards Nvidia but thats purely a brand thing. My perception has always been that they are the best for your top end ball busters but AMD are better at my price range.

    Thanks for the useful advice so far, looks like it is between the 7850 and 660
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 19:30:13 2,657 posts
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    I've used various AMD and Nvidia card with a 1090T CPU and in some games got better minimum frame rates with a 5850 over a GTX 580! Just Cause 2 is a good example. When I first got the 580 I was shocked to see the frame rate dropping into the high 40s when it was always locked to 60 with the 5850. After much testing with various cards and CPUs I pinned the problem down to the PII being much weaker than the other Intel procs I tested and Nvidia drivers using more CPU.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 19:30:25 6,521 posts
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    It's not cutting edge but given how cpu's are less important now I doubt it would be an issue other than perhaps with the driver usage specified by borked.

    I presume it's AM3 socket so easy to upgrade if you wanted to at a later date too.

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 19:31:39 21-04-2013
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 19:37:07 2,657 posts
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    I ran into real trouble trying to get a solid 60fps in a lot of games with the 1090T. Even dropping the res down to 1280x720 didn't help so it was definitely a CPU bottleneck. I think a lot of people don't notice because they like to crank up the settings and run out of GPU power first, but if you're the sort who needs the frame rate you will notice how deficient the PII is. I'd strongly recommend pairing a AMD card with that CPU.

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 19:37:39 21-04-2013
  • Lamb 21 Apr 2013 19:44:20 474 posts
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    http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
  • Shikasama 21 Apr 2013 20:06:48 6,827 posts
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    Thanks Lamb, that chart helps me quantify ow much of an upgrade the 7850 will be.

    I don't want to fork out money on a piece that is going to be gimped by my current equipment so I think I'll go for the 7850
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 20:17:24 6,521 posts
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    @Shikasama any of those will be a reasonable upgrade over the 5770, but by the sounds of things the 7850 is the better choice to minimise CPU and driver issues
  • Shikasama 21 Apr 2013 20:44:05 6,827 posts
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    I've just purchased the Sapphire 7850 linked earlier as there was 1 left. I'm an impulsive kinda guy.

    Thanks for the advice people, very helpful.
  • BillMurray 21 Apr 2013 20:56:24 7,729 posts
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    I'm slowly updating my rig. Just got 8gb RAM off eBay for about 35 and now from some recommendations my friend i'm starting to look at the upgrading to the 7850 from my 6800 in a couple of months time.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 21:00:14 6,521 posts
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    @Shikasama Maybe a before and after screenshot with FPS scores will prove handy for others in similar situations :D

    Hope all goes well!
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 21:01:40 6,521 posts
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    @BillMurray If you are going from 6850/6870 to a 7850 I'd check that the boost is worth the extra cash. I can't imagine the leap would be that substantial.
  • dagoberto 21 Apr 2013 21:26:09 279 posts
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    This is an ok deal mate...
    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/geforce-gtx-660-oc-2gb-gddr5-metro-last-light-139-98-novatech-1533007
  • BillMurray 21 Apr 2013 21:29:44 7,729 posts
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    @RobTheBuilder Hmm, that chart someone posted earlier seemed to indicate the leap from a Radeon 6800 to a 7850 was fairly large?
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 21:46:42 6,521 posts
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    @BillMurray Ohh, I thought you meant a 6800 series (6850/6870).

    I presume you have a CPU/PSU that are ok for a decent new card?
  • BillMurray 21 Apr 2013 22:10:18 7,729 posts
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    @RobTheBuilder I've got six cores running at 2.8ghz I think? PSU is definitely something ill have to look into. Think my current one is only a 450w Corsair.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 22:11:58 6,521 posts
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    @BillMurray I presume that's an AM3 board running a Phenom 6 core?

    If you let me know exactly what your spec is I'll go do the power calculator thing. (Or I can link you if you prefer)

    If buying new I'd expect a 550w to be a minimum recommendation, but we can check to see if you are fine!
  • BillMurray 21 Apr 2013 22:28:08 7,729 posts
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    I think it's an ASUS board(M4A785TD-M EVO apparently), and yes Phenom II X6.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 22:35:28 6,521 posts
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    @BillMurray Ok. So 8gb ram and one dvd/br drive?
  • Syrette 21 Apr 2013 22:35:52 43,432 posts
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    Get this one if you're on a budget

    http://www.ebuyer.com/290499-pny-tesla-c2075-6gb-gddr5-dual-link-dvi-pci-e-graphics-card-tcsc2075-pb

  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 22:42:10 6,521 posts
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    @billmurray Ok, I've gone for the more inefficient version of your CPU, with the 7850, 1 sata hard drive , 1 dvd drive, 4 sticks of ddr3, and presuming one usb powered device.


    Minimum PSU: 289w
    Recommended minimum PSU: 339w

    If your hard drive is SCSI not Sata, that ups it by about 15w. If you have any other drives (dvd/hdd) or add-ons, that will increase it too.

    Otherwise it should be fine, 100w of room with a good make like Corsair should be no problem.
  • BillMurray 21 Apr 2013 22:52:44 7,729 posts
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    @RobTheBuilder 12gb or Ram I will have once the posture pops round with my new purchase.

    That all sounds good though!

    Edit*Posture? Postie!

    Edited by BillMurray at 12:48:25 22-04-2013
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