Advice sought on building a PC that can compete with next gen consoles (PS4, X720) Page 10

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  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 13:55:25 6,521 posts
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    #vizzinibands Ultravoxel
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 13:55:54 6,521 posts
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    #vizzinibands INXSPU
  • Skirlasvoud 20 Apr 2013 19:43:41 232 posts
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    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

    \o/


    Its like Eurogamer heard poor little old me's cries!

    *Starts reading*
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 19:51:31 6,521 posts
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    @Skirlasvoud the main learning is that maybe the 8core AMD could be a better alternative than the i5, and make sure you get as much gddr5 as possible in the graphics card.
  • Sharzam 20 Apr 2013 20:34:05 2,832 posts
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    Will be interesting to see how AMD develop over the next couple years thats for sure.

    With both consoles using there chips will mean some interesting game engine multithreading, but till the engines catch up strong single thread is still the way to go.

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  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 20:46:10 6,521 posts
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    @Sharzam true. I think the key thing is, having an 8 core AMD isn't much of a disadvantage now, but could be a handy advantage in the future.
  • Carlo 20 Apr 2013 21:40:16 17,996 posts
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    I've got a year-old system that I paid a grand for and self built based on 2500k @ 4.5, GTX 680 on 16x, 8GB, and SSD. I doubt anything bar the 8GB ddr5 memory is going to test it from this coming generation.

    Digital foundry's article seems to agree broadly.

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  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 21:52:35 6,521 posts
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    @Carlo agree but it's worth noting for those buying soon!
  • joeymoto108 20 Apr 2013 22:13:19 641 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    I've got a year-old system that I paid a grand for and self built based on 2500k @ 4.5, GTX 680 on 16x, 8GB, and SSD. I doubt anything bar the 8GB ddr5 memory is going to test it from this coming generation.

    Digital foundry's article seems to agree broadly.
    I have the same set up, yet I'm still to OC my 2500k. Is there much of an fps increase in doing so?

    'Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?'

  • Carlo 20 Apr 2013 22:36:30 17,996 posts
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    Tbh I've found very little that will make this system dip under 60 fps at the res I play, even with "everything on ultra" And when it does it locks to 30 for the brief time thanks to adaptive v sync.

    Gaining any frames past this becomes pretty irrelevant at that point. If you're getting the same, I wouldn't bother.

    I over clock my cpu and gpu because one particular game I play is really badly coded

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  • Sharzam 20 Apr 2013 22:54:15 2,832 posts
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    @joeymoto108

    Depends heavily on the game whether overclocking the CPU makes a difference. As comes down to where the bottleneck is for alot of games that is the GPU but some games like RTS use the CPU more so you should see some benefit from overclocking.

    I have a 2500K and runs at 4.7ghz stable, its so easy to overclock that may as well for the free fps increase. You should be able to get 4ghz without really trying and more if you have the cooling needed.

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  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 22:57:48 6,521 posts
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    @Sharzam my brother has that CPU over clocked to 4.3ghz with a as/ac50 cooler of some kind..
  • DodgyPast 21 Apr 2013 01:44:06 8,448 posts
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    Mine's happy at 4.4Ghz with a 35 quid cooler in a relatively hot country.
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 01:54:54 2,565 posts
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    Oh yeah? What temp does it get up to?

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 01:58:08 21-04-2013
  • DodgyPast 21 Apr 2013 08:40:28 8,448 posts
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    B0rked_Gamer wrote:
    Oh yeah? What temp does it get up to?
    74 degrees Celsius under prime running at 1.35v
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 16:24:38 2,565 posts
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    Jesus, that is on the toasty side! I run a 2600k at 4.3Ghz 1.28v for a max temp of 56c. That is on air.

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 16:25:51 21-04-2013
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 16:26:46 2,565 posts
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    I don't think your 35 quid cooler is cutting it. :D

    /dick
  • DodgyPast 21 Apr 2013 17:02:37 8,448 posts
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    B0rked_Gamer wrote:
    I don't think your 35 quid cooler is cutting it. :D

    /dick
    With ambient temps of around 35 degrees it's doing okay.
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 17:09:28 2,565 posts
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    Word.
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 17:11:46 2,565 posts
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    Even so 74c is hot as fuck. I'd dial back the overclock for 24/7.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 17:16:35 6,521 posts
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    My brother has a non-standard cooler on his (4.3ghz) and he says it rarely goes above warm on any load.
  • Roddles 21 Apr 2013 22:07:49 1,831 posts
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    B0rked_Gamer wrote:
    Even so 74c is hot as fuck. I'd dial back the overclock for 24/7.
    74C is cool as fuck for an overclock on hours of Prime.
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 22:29:17 2,565 posts
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    Well that depends on the overclock really. 74c is never acceptable in my opinion and I wouldn't want my CPU running that hot. I also don't see the point of bothering with P95 at all. Ever.

    In the past I've tested an OC all fucking day with P95 only to have it fail doing a Cinebench run or even playing a flash video. The best way to test a overclock it to simply use the computer for a week, play some games, transcode some videos, see how it goes.

    I test my temp by having the CPU chew on a HD video encode for a few hours. It puts a near constant 100% load on the CPU and is just a better all-round stability test.

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 22:30:38 21-04-2013
  • Roddles 21 Apr 2013 23:46:41 1,831 posts
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    An "acceptable" temperature is up to the user. At full load 74C really is fine, and for gaming you never see anything using 100% on all cores, so things run much cooler anyway.

    We're not talking about stability, we're talking about temperatures (yes they are obviously related).
  • B0rked_Gamer 21 Apr 2013 23:58:30 2,565 posts
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    I'd like to see a processor that gets up to 74c running prime go through the heat grinder that is Intel Burn Test. :D

    Hey if it works for you its alright but damn, 74c. :eek:
  • DodgyPast 22 Apr 2013 12:29:57 8,448 posts
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    B0rked_Gamer wrote:
    I'd like to see a processor that gets up to 74c running prime go through the heat grinder that is Intel Burn Test. :D

    Hey if it works for you its alright but damn, 74c. :eek:
    79 degrees on IBT.

    Idles at around 45 degrees which is ambient + 10 degrees.
  • Roddles 22 Apr 2013 12:37:46 1,831 posts
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    If you get 79C on IBT but then get those ambient and idle temperatures, then I'm sure you could improve things a bit.

    Are you using a vcore offset, or a static vcore for your overclock? Also have you kept on the power saving options in the bios? They do a fantastic job of lowering the multiplier when you're not doing anything.

    Right now with a 4.4Ghz overclock on a i5-3570k I idle at 34C, the same as the ambient temperature inside. This is also with the fan RPM set to just 40%. If I left it at the default then I'd see about 27C at idle.

    I'm using a Noctua NH-D14 with Noctua case fans acting as an intake at the front bottom and outtake at the top back (PSU is at the back bottom).

    Probably also helps that I'm using the Asus GTX 670 Direct CU II which are excellent at keeping cool, quiet and chucking out the hot air where it needs to go.

    Edited by Roddles at 12:43:54 22-04-2013
  • DodgyPast 22 Apr 2013 12:49:19 8,448 posts
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    Static vcore at 1.38... yeah, got the power saving option so it's running at 1600 when idle. Should play around a bit more, but at the same time do have that feeling of if it ain't broke don't fix it.
  • Roddles 22 Apr 2013 12:53:33 1,831 posts
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    I'd definitely go for a vcore offset. Most of the power saving options (ie the ones that drop the Vcore) don't work if you choose a static vcore.

    To start with just do an offset that would equal 1.38V when you push it to load. You can fine tune it after that if you like.

    If you're happy then yeah, no need to fiddle. It's not like it's blowing up. It'll be helpful in the summer though.
  • DodgyPast 22 Apr 2013 13:19:20 8,448 posts
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    Roddles wrote:
    I'd definitely go for a vcore offset. Most of the power saving options (ie the ones that drop the Vcore) don't work if you choose a static vcore.

    To start with just do an offset that would equal 1.38V when you push it to load. You can fine tune it after that if you like.

    If you're happy then yeah, no need to fiddle. It's not like it's blowing up. It'll be helpful in the summer though.
    It is summer where I am, hit 41 degrees today.

    Not suffering half as much as I was last year despite it being a particular scorcher this year.

    I'll have a delve around the settings and see what I can do, reducing power usage would be nice.

    Edited by DodgyPast at 13:20:01 22-04-2013
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