The Next Xbox will decide Microsoft's entire fate, and I'm not sure they even know it... Page 2

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  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 13:36:42 11,226 posts
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    That is not how this works. You are meant to get angry and opinionated about stuff that people think other people have said but may not have done all based on unsubstantiated information.

    Edited by glaeken at 13:37:35 05-04-2013
  • Widge Moderator 5 Apr 2013 13:37:45 13,700 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    Intel have been solid for years now and have got over the problems of the past. You really can't compare Intel and AMD as Intel have been whipping the floor with them for some time now and it doesn't look like changing. You sure your not talking about AMD?
    Intel, from what I read, are doing something "funky" with their chips in the future. Essentially moving some functionality off the motherboard and onto the chip. Disgruntlement on two fronts from motherboard manu's that suddenly have nothing to differentiate their products from each other, and from an inkling that processors are going to start becoming integrated into motherboards.

    Or so a high level scanning of the current state of play led me to believe.

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  • LeoliansBro 5 Apr 2013 13:38:03 44,512 posts
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    BB, I think you're overemphasising the importance of the Durango to Microsoft as a business. It is a vital product, but it is only one of several.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Widge Moderator 5 Apr 2013 13:40:42 13,700 posts
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    oceanmotion wrote:
    Anyway, MS are changing, all the hate Windows 8 and RT get, people don't seem to realise, they have to do this or roll over and die.
    Oh and this. I really see traditional desktop boxes or towers going the way of the dodo... or at least the niche enthusiast. Except the enthusiasts see technology going in a direction which doesn't suit them and are getting in a tizz about it. Cue lots of "I'm glad I made the switch to Linux" etc.

    The people moaning are the very people who don't seem to realise that very soon your PC won't be something that is tethered to a desk anymore, it is a unit that you will carry about with you.

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  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 13:42:48 11,226 posts
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    Once you discover you can just go to the desktop and not worry about the Metro interface a lot of the Windows 8 hate is nonsense anyway. I think most people who rant about it have actually spent so little time with it they don't realise normal Windows is still there.
  • Commander-Keen 5 Apr 2013 13:44:01 819 posts
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    Dunno if this has been posted elsewhere, but Francis sums up my feelings nicely:

    [youtube]http://youtu.be/cW28VSmXnCo[/youtube]

    Edited by Commander Keen at 13:44:39 05-04-2013

    hat doesn't seem to work. Try this: http://youtu.be/cW28VSmXnCo

    Edited by Commander Keen at 13:45:04 05-04-2013
  • Deleted user 5 April 2013 13:44:32
    I like the look of borderless apps in Windows 8. I like browsing using the google app and the mail client also.

    Seems very modern.
  • disusedgenius 5 Apr 2013 13:45:31 5,431 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    I think most people who rant about it have actually spent so little time with it they don't realise normal Windows is still there.
    Have they put the start menu back in as well now, or do you have to rely on desktop shortcuts?
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 13:49:04 11,226 posts
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    It's not there by default but you can add it back. I have actually not bothered as if you just type in the Metro interface you can find and run anything anyway as long as you know what you want to run. You can also just type in UNC type names to access servers. My Windows 8 machine is actually a test machine though so if I was using it as my main machine I think I would have added the start menu back.

    I was really prepared to hate it when I first started working with it but even the Metro interface has grown on me a little.
  • THFourteen 5 Apr 2013 13:52:05 33,874 posts
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    I love windows 8. Just bought a second copy to go on my desktop. The square boxes and lines appeal to my OCD i think.
  • mcmonkeyplc 5 Apr 2013 13:53:27 39,467 posts
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    I don't have the start button. The start screen does the same job.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • disusedgenius 5 Apr 2013 13:56:50 5,431 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    I have actually not bothered as if you just type in the Metro interface you can find and run anything anyway as long as you know what you want to run.
    Ah, yeah, sounds fine to me, kinda like a terminal or Run type affair?
  • Shikasama 5 Apr 2013 13:57:56 6,995 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    I love windows 8. Just bought a second copy to go on my desktop. The square boxes and lines appeal to my OCD i think.
    I always wonder how many people installed Windows 8 and when they booted up, Metro was displaying their porn folder in full HD glory on their homescreen
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 14:09:55 11,226 posts
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  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 14:10:21 11,226 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    glaeken wrote:
    I have actually not bothered as if you just type in the Metro interface you can find and run anything anyway as long as you know what you want to run.
    Ah, yeah, sounds fine to me, kinda like a terminal or Run type affair?
    When you start typing in the Metro interface it just does a search for all apps that match what you are typing that are installed and once you see what you want you can just click on it to run. Or if you don't know what an apps called you can right click on Metro and select all apps at which point you get a full list of everything which is kind of like the start menu but not hierarchically organised.

    You can also type in paths and it will open that path up for you or full paths and file names and it will open the file up in whatever the associated app is. If you want to get really down and dirty just type CMD and launch a DOS prompt.

    I would certainly say for anyone thinking of upgrading and worrying about all the hate that gets aimed at it don't worry as you get used to it very quickly. And this is coming from someone who as a general rule really dislikes GUI updates.

    Edited by glaeken at 14:11:14 05-04-2013
  • King_Edward 5 Apr 2013 14:25:09 11,455 posts
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    I'm not sure what it is about Windows 8 that I dislike so much, but I really don't like using it. It makes me feel slutty.
  • scott1987 5 Apr 2013 14:28:17 131 posts
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    Have to say if i could have Apples operating system at work i would prefer it to MS.

    Also i do agree somewhat with the title of the thread. It just seems MS are making alot of bad moves with the 720. Maybe they think they can just out buy everyone again like they did with the 360.
  • ronuds 5 Apr 2013 14:29:38 21,788 posts
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    I think MS can sell zero 720s and still be around for decades to come.
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 14:31:44 11,226 posts
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    @graysonavich I think Apple get the blame for that one.
  • Deleted user 5 April 2013 14:36:59
    Windows releases are like Star Trek films. Every other one gets praised, every other other one gets slated. Win 9 will be out by the end of the year and they'll be golden again.
  • SomaticSense 5 Apr 2013 14:45:52 8,714 posts
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    If the rumours around the focus of the next Xbox are true (and lets face it, the pre-announcement rumours regarding the PS3 were fairly accurate), then MS are dead as a console manufacturer. If they keep pushing the 'do-all' casual side and step it up further in what 90% of potential consumers will still view as a games console, then they are screwed. Sony will destroy them.

    XBL account loyalty will also mean jack shit, because if the rumoured lack of BC comes to fruition then there will be no better time for an allegience reset for those who can afford only one console. On a personal level, I've stuck with the 360 despite the reliability problems (I'm on my fourth) purely because of my collossal 360 game library, the controller, and the (mostly) better quality multiformat games. Remove those advantages out of the equation, and add mandatory Kinect, superfulous non-gaming media functions, system specs again largely equal to or lesser than it's competitor, and a generally increased focus on the casual market and I'm out of there ASAP.

    A console generation 'reset' will mean that should MS even slightly fuck up - and from the rumours plus what we actually know means that is looking very, very likely - then Sony will dominate the market even more than they did with the PS1 or PS2, as the hardcore 360 owners looking to upgrade will never have a better opportunity to switch brands without any real sacrifice. And with the price of admission being so high, plus the recession, gamers will only go for what they want out of a console regardless of brand loyalty.

    Games sell game consoles, and currently only Sony seem to recognise this. If MS don't realise and carry on as they are, then they will go the way of Sega except without a string of great licenses to whore out.

    Edited by SomaticSense at 14:46:21 05-04-2013

    Edited by SomaticSense at 14:48:43 05-04-2013
  • disusedgenius 5 Apr 2013 14:48:17 5,431 posts
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    I dunno, a part of me suspects that they're just ahead of the curve compared to the safe stuff Sony have announced.
  • cubbymoore 5 Apr 2013 14:51:33 36,501 posts
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    To be fair, Sony didn't do *that* badly with a "hard as fuck to programme" console this time, so it does seem that they will do a lot better with that one barrier out of the way. Maybe Microsoft are just going to abandon the hardcore this time round and think they can make some money that way.
  • EMarkM 5 Apr 2013 14:55:22 3,190 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    @graysonavich I think Apple get the blame for that one.
    No.

    They really, really don't.

    Programs are not the same as applications; never have been.

    App is just an abbreviation for application.
  • SomaticSense 5 Apr 2013 15:00:37 8,714 posts
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    cubbymoore wrote: Maybe Microsoft are just going to abandon the hardcore this time round and think they can make some money that way.
    That seems to be the case.

    If so, then Apple will crush them.
  • ronuds 5 Apr 2013 15:05:50 21,788 posts
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    I heard MS made it mandatory that all games for the 720 are rated for toddlers. Even BF4.
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 15:08:48 11,226 posts
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    EMarkM wrote:
    glaeken wrote:
    @graysonavich I think Apple get the blame for that one.
    No.

    They really, really don't.

    Programs are not the same as applications; never have been.

    App is just an abbreviation for application.
    So Apple did not popularise the use of the term App then when referring to an application?

    I was using the term App because that is what is used within Windows 8. I am thankful that you have managed to clarify for me though that App is an abbreviation of application. That was a real head scratcher for me.

    Edited by glaeken at 15:10:38 05-04-2013
  • oceanmotion 5 Apr 2013 15:11:04 16,008 posts
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    Couldn't you say the PS4 is rather risky focusing so much on games and social. Currently of course.

    Whereas the next Xbox could hit the right cords, unrivalled media streaming content only bettered by a PC. Games, social, Skype will probably have a big push. Kinect, voice control.

    I want a games console but if the masses see a better all in one box with some bells and whistles for a fair price, they are going to buy that over omg 8GBddr5!!!! in PS4. Online DRM aside :)

    Nobody has truly made a must have idiot proof box under the TV that works seamlessly with other devices and offers so many compelling features. MS is the only one that has all the pieces and many of those are worthless to me but to many consumers it could be what they have always wanted.

    That is what worries me most about the PS4, they could be left behind even though they are being great to devs and gamers. Would it be enough to survive if MS nail it.
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