"4K" Ultra High Def TVs

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  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:16:09 83,875 posts
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    So these are now out in the wild, along with AV amps and BR players that upscale to 4K, so there's just about content to go with one. In fact Youtube apparently now hosts 4K content as well, although you can't get to it through the normal website.

    But yeah, at a minimum of 20k for a set (or an incredible 400k for the somewhat ridiculous Panasonic 150 inch model) these are as of yet not for the likes of you and I, but the next gen of TVs is offically here. Yay.
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2013 10:19:02 3,398 posts
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    Trying to picture how large a 150 inch screen is. Would it even fit on the average lounge wall? Even if it did who wants to actually have to turn their head to watch two people talking?
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:19:35
    So they are just ultra Hi-def tv's? How long before people can afford them?
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2013 10:20:14 3,398 posts
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    OK google images says it's not quite as big as I'd imagined.
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:20:40 83,875 posts
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    It's about half the size of an actual cinema screen.
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2013 10:21:06 3,398 posts
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    Think the resolution is 3000ish by 4000 (hence 4K) - so around 4 times higher def than 1080p, unless my maths is rubbish.

    edit - no, 1080 is the shorter dimension isn't it, duh. Maybe about 2.5x higher def then.

    Edited by monkman76 at 10:22:03 12-03-2013
  • disusedgenius 12 Mar 2013 10:23:21 5,142 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    Think the resolution is 3000ish by 4000 (hence 4K) - so around 4 times higher def than 1080p, unless my maths is rubbish.

    edit - no, 1080 is the shorter dimension isn't it, duh. Maybe about 2.5x higher def then.
    /thousand words
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:23:22 83,875 posts
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    iHAZaCHEEZ3burger wrote:
    So they are just ultra Hi-def tv's? How long before people can afford them?
    Probably about three years before they're mainstream, and maybe five before they're properly affordable.

    There is likely to be a bit of a format war between these and OLED screens though. These are higher res, but many are saying it's pointless for normal screen sizes, whereas OLED offers much lighter, thiner, more efficient and better quality screens at current resolutions.
  • TheSaint 12 Mar 2013 10:24:02 13,629 posts
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    Apparently the 4k footage of the Olympic 100m final is amazing.
  • captbirdseye 12 Mar 2013 10:24:32 4,344 posts
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    Not sure on the push for 4k considering 8k is only 2 years behind (judging by the Japanese government estimates).
  • Ignatius_Cheese Moderator 12 Mar 2013 10:25:15 10,785 posts
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    Meh. 46 inches is big enough for me.

    MATRON!!
  • Dougs 12 Mar 2013 10:25:28 64,910 posts
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    Ghosting is still a huge issue for 4K teles apparently. According to some briefing I was at the other day anyway.
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2013 10:26:58 3,398 posts
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    @disusedgenius Heh. Why look at an instantly clear picture when you can read two paragraphs of inane waffle?
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:27:06
    How long before castles become affordable?
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:30:14 83,875 posts
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    Boab wrote:
    How long before castles become affordable?
    You can get a nice Scottish castle for under 1m at the moment. Some even come with titles like "Baron" which are usually worth a hundred grand or so.
  • neilka 12 Mar 2013 10:31:10 14,942 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    But yeah, at a minimum of 20k for a set
    Toshiba 55Z12B for 5k
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:33:28 83,875 posts
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    Blimey.
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:35:28
    kalel wrote:
    iHAZaCHEEZ3burger wrote:
    So they are just ultra Hi-def tv's? How long before people can afford them?
    Probably about three years before they're mainstream, and maybe five before they're properly affordable.

    There is likely to be a bit of a format war between these and OLED screens though. These are higher res, but many are saying it's pointless for normal screen sizes, whereas OLED offers much lighter, thiner, more efficient and better quality screens at current resolutions.
    Except that the Sony 4K screens (80, 55) are already both 4K and OLED, so they've covered both bases.
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:35:34 83,875 posts
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    It seems like 4K might win the format war just by virtue of getting out there and being cheaper faster, a bit like LCD killing off plasma.

    Personally I'm much more interested in OLED but it's just taking an age to come about.
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:36:56 83,875 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    iHAZaCHEEZ3burger wrote:
    So they are just ultra Hi-def tv's? How long before people can afford them?
    Probably about three years before they're mainstream, and maybe five before they're properly affordable.

    There is likely to be a bit of a format war between these and OLED screens though. These are higher res, but many are saying it's pointless for normal screen sizes, whereas OLED offers much lighter, thiner, more efficient and better quality screens at current resolutions.
    Except that the Sony 4K screens (80, 55) are already both 4K and OLED, so they've covered both bases.
    Those are concept TVs, with no plans for an actual release, so not, not really.
  • neilka 12 Mar 2013 10:38:51 14,942 posts
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    vizzini gets all Sony prototypes delivered to his house in a white van by Kaz Hirai.
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:39:39
    http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:42:02 83,875 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A
    Not OLED.
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:42:59
    @kalel

    Apologize, I take it back, it looks like they've cheekily switched from OLED to edge enhanced between prototype and product.
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:43:34 83,875 posts
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    How unlike them.
  • Psychotext 12 Mar 2013 10:44:32 52,782 posts
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    Fine for those of us willing to rock 80"+ TVs or sit eye bleedingly close to their 50" TV... but probably not so worthwhile for everyone else.
  • kalel 12 Mar 2013 10:47:32 83,875 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Fine for those of us willing to rock 80"+ TVs or sit eye bleedingly close to their 50" TV... but probably not so worthwhile for everyone else.
    To be frank, it hasn't stopped people shelling out for 1080p TVs on smaller models where 720p was sufficient, and let's not get started on the waste of time that is 3D. They'll sell whether people need them or not. It's a way of selling new and more expensive TVs.

    That said, again, OLED offers real genuine benefits on smaller TVs, that aren't just gimmicks like 4K probably is.
  • Latin 12 Mar 2013 10:48:36 3,373 posts
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    I am not a tech person so this question could be stupid... But what's the point of having these TV's, if nothing is filmed for them? Or do all these HD cameras capture the images and are currently being reduced for 1080p? Also the same with games, will the "next gen" be able to output for 4k/8k TVs?

    /could be chatting shit
  • Deleted user 12 March 2013 10:50:26
    @psychotext

    If I could afford it, I always go with the TV that provides the best signal processing(which are the big ones). TV/home cinema by its very nature is a mix of very old bad footage and new uncompressed goodness.

    Recently I rewatched the avengers blu-ray on my friends (edit) 55HX853 using the motion flow smoothing option, and was surprised how it takes the 24p and subframes to look like 48p. Very different viewing experience completely.

    Edited by vizzini at 10:52:31 12-03-2013

    Edited by vizzini at 10:53:11 12-03-2013
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2013 10:51:05 3,398 posts
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    @Latin - I think 4K cameras are slightly ahead of the displays, ie. they're starting to be used more and more. Canon do a DSLR that records video in 4K, for example.

    Edited by monkman76 at 10:51:19 12-03-2013
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