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  • K-Mi 21 Feb 2013 13:46:54 3 posts
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    Hi guys,

    After watching the big PS4 event last night and reading the rumours regarding the next XBox, I finally decided to go with the combo PC - Wii U only this generation. I am therefore thinking about upgrading my PC in order to be able to play all those new shiny games. Could someone a bit more tech savy than I am guide me through this process? What do you think I need to upgrade in order to be able to run the next generation of games? Here's what I have right now:

    CaseCORSAIR GRAPHITE SERIES™ 600T GAMING CASE

    Overclocked CPU OverClocked Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-760 (2.80GHz @ max 3.80GHz)

    Motherboard ASUS® P7P55D-E PRO: USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, CrossFireX™ / SLI SUPPORT

    Memory (RAM) 4GB KINGSTON HYPER-X BLU DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 2GB KIT)

    Graphics Card 1280MB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX470 - 2 DVI,mHDMI - DX® 11, 3D

    Memory - 1st Hard Disk 640GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD6402AAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)

    1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

    Power Supply CORSAIR 650W TX SERIES (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUIET PSU

    Processor Cooling TITAN FENRIR EVO EXTREME HEATPIPE CPU COOLER

    Thermal Paste STANDARD OVERCLOCK THERMAL PASTE

    Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO

    Network Facilities ONBOARD GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps PCI CARD

    USB Options 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD

    Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence

    Monitor IIYAMA E2472HD 24" LED WIDESCREEN, HDMI/DVI-D HD 1920x1080

    Yhank you for your help!
  • Deleted user 21 February 2013 13:48:47
    That's already more powerful than a PS4.
  • MetalDog 21 Feb 2013 13:51:19 23,697 posts
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    Get more RAM in there and you'll probably be fine. As much as will fit - you can never have too much RAM =)

    Not sure off the top of my head about the shader situation with the graphics though - someone will know.

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  • nickthegun 21 Feb 2013 14:03:55 59,854 posts
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    That must have set you back a few quid when you bought it. Its what.. 18 months old, tops?

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 21 Feb 2013 14:05:08 6,654 posts
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    Yeah, even though it's more powerful than a PS4 I'd wait till the hardware generation after the new consoles are released to upgrade your GPU.

    Even though something state of the art now is far and away more powerful, the old PC owner in me would advise that the baseline console engines are still unknown quantities, and it would be prudent to wait till you know how efficiently the new games can be ported.

    2 cents fwiw.

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 14:11:15 21-02-2013
  • K-Mi 21 Feb 2013 14:26:56 3 posts
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    @nickthegun: I bought it two years ago, in January 2011.

    @bitch_tits_zero_nine: Sounds like a good advice, thank you. I might just wait and see then!

    @everyone else: thank you for taking the time to answer me!
  • Sharzam 21 Feb 2013 15:17:35 2,863 posts
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    Yup just a bit more ram and your all good.

    Perhaps a GPU if you feel you don't get enough fps but no rush on that. Remember the PS4 is basically using PC tech , hell its a laptop CPU.

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  • SClaw 21 Feb 2013 15:30:39 826 posts
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    Upgrading your GPU will only get you so far, as your hands are tied by your motherboard's PCIe 2.0 slots. However you should be able to keep this ticking along for a another couple of years, and those 2.0 cards will only get cheaper as we move forward.
  • Roddles 21 Feb 2013 15:33:29 1,875 posts
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    SClaw wrote:
    Upgrading your GPU will only get you so far, as your hands are tied by your motherboard's PCIe 2.0 slots
    Not true I'm afraid. Nothing saturates PCIe 2.0 yet.

    Edited by Roddles at 15:33:45 21-02-2013
  • THFourteen 21 Feb 2013 15:36:56 33,391 posts
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    without 8gb of GDDR5 RAM its useless, useless i tell you!
  • Cannon_Fodder 21 Feb 2013 15:41:31 219 posts
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    A lot of those components look oddly familiar, did you get it from overclockers?

    I wouldn't recommend the i5-760. I used to have it and it did it's purpose 2 years ago. If you're on a budget, go for the i5-2500K. If money isn't really much of an object, go for the i7-3770K. That's my current processor and I can't fault it. There are a few other 1155 socket processors (i7-2600K i think?). Either of those, can't go wrong.

    That means swapping out the motherboard too. I would recommend the Asus P8Z77-V, but generally most 1155 socket motherboards will do a good enough job. There are some decent affordable Gigabyte ones out there.

    I would recommend AT LEAST 8GB of RAM. You don't really need anymore. I've yet to see my PC utilize anywhere over 8GB (I have 16). The odd game pushes my memory usage over 4 (Battlefield 3 for example). 8GB is playing it safe and smart. Off the top of my head the Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz sticks are pretty good, with decent memory timings (9-9-9-24 off the top of my head).

    I would strongly recommend upgrading the graphics card. I have no idea what your budget is, but my minimum recommendation would be a NVIDIA GTX 560TI and that's sort off pushing it. 660TI would be nice, 670 if you have the cash to splash. Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce is a great card from experience.

    EDIT: Sorry, I assumed you were purchasing a new PC. My advice still stands! :)

    Edited by Cannon_Fodder at 15:44:59 21-02-2013

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  • Roddles 21 Feb 2013 15:43:33 1,875 posts
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    Um, you missed the bit that said

    Here's what I have right now:
  • K-Mi 21 Feb 2013 20:15:11 3 posts
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    @Cannon_Fodder: I bought it from PCSpecialist.co.uk

    If I do want to upgrade the RAM to 8GB, would it be better to buy 2x4GB or just adding 2 more 2GB sticks would do the trick (I think I read that I there are four slots on the motherboard)?

    Thanks again for your help!

    Edited by K-Mi at 20:15:37 21-02-2013
  • superdelphinus 21 Feb 2013 20:19:51 8,059 posts
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    I agree with the advice about waiting for a bit and see what the demands of the new generation of games actually is on pc hardware
  • MMMarmite 21 Feb 2013 20:23:52 1,030 posts
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    @K-Mi 2x4GB would be better as matching pairs (size & speed) give better performance, then move your current 2x2GB down a rank to give you 12GB total.

    Edited by MMMarmite at 20:28:17 21-02-2013
  • Carlo 21 Feb 2013 20:27:04 18,047 posts
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    Cannon_Fodder wrote:
    I wouldn't recommend the i5-760. I used to have it and it did it's purpose 2 years ago. If you're on a budget, go for the i5-2500K. If money isn't really much of an object, go for the i7-3770K. That's my current processor and I can't fault it. There are a few other 1155 socket processors (i7-2600K i think?). Either of those, can't go wrong.
    Agree with the i5-760 but frankly for gaming, I can't see him getting anything extra off an i5 (or i7) Ivy over the 2500k Sandy. This is even more true if you're overclocking.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2500k is easier to OC than the Ivy CPUs (in terms of maximum GHz), enough so that any performance benefit from the Ivy is lost...And certainly not worth the extra money you'll spend getting one.

    As for an i7. Multi-threading is likely to decrease performance in games...

    The sweet spot still seems to be the Sandy i5 'k' series. Save the money and use it to buy a nice 20nm GPU (in whatever model you go for - let the cost dictate which one)

    I'll let someone else rabbit on about the PCIe 3.0 16x and how it's a waste of money now...

    Edited by Carlo at 20:53:20 21-02-2013

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  • superdelphinus 21 Feb 2013 20:34:04 8,059 posts
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    Can't wait until vizzini arrives personally
  • SuperBas 21 Feb 2013 20:49:43 1,452 posts
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    I'd upgrade if I were you, you're only using STANDARD OVERCLOCK THERMAL PASTE. However, if you buy the HYPER OVERCLOCK XXX THERMAL PASTE your current CPU won't be able to handle the stress.
    So, you need a new CPU, mobo, and memory, and if you're getting that much, you might as well buy the other components as well. Screw them into your current case and save money!

    Edited by SuperBas at 20:50:27 21-02-2013
  • phAge 21 Feb 2013 22:24:10 24,371 posts
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    Not to hijack the thread, but about a year ago I bought a PC from a mate for about 270 quid, and thought that needed a pretty major overhaul to be competitive in the next gen - and that had the following in it:

    (All the usual bits n' pieces: cabinet, cooler, PSU, etc.)
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz
    ASUS P8P67 LE
    8 GB Corsair XMS3 1600 Mhz Vengeance
    PowerColor Radeon HD6950 2 GB DDR5
    1 TB HDD
    Sony DVD drive

    If I get a SSD and possibly a BD drive, how far do you reckon I'll be from PS4/Xbox 720 performance levels when they launch?
  • richardiox 21 Feb 2013 22:31:36 5,596 posts
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    You got a fucking bargain there. i3 2100 is a competent CPU and 6950 a good GPU. Plenty of fast ram and a decent mobo.

    Wouldn't be too concerned about upgrading for a while yet but if you do, yeah get an SSD and sell your i3 to part fund an i5.

    I'm pretty much in the same boat with my PC, only I've got a 6870 rather than a 6950.
  • Deleted user 21 February 2013 22:39:38
    phAge wrote:
    Not to hijack the thread, but about a year ago I bought a PC from a mate for about 270 quid, and thought that needed a pretty major overhaul to be competitive in the next gen - and that had the following in it:

    (All the usual bits n' pieces: cabinet, cooler, PSU, etc.)
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz
    ASUS P8P67 LE
    8 GB Corsair XMS3 1600 Mhz Vengeance
    PowerColor Radeon HD6950 2 GB DDR5
    1 TB HDD
    Sony DVD drive

    If I get a SSD and possibly a BD drive, how far do you reckon I'll be from PS4/Xbox 720 performance levels when they launch?
    It's already better you nutter.
  • King_Edward 21 Feb 2013 22:40:38 11,454 posts
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    Threads like this always make me feel really bad about my pc.
  • Bremenacht 21 Feb 2013 22:45:27 18,190 posts
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    SSD seems the most obvious upgrade on the OP's spec. Won't make games any better, but the all-round-whizziness will be felt immediately. Even a little cache drive would help enormously.
  • DodgyPast 22 Feb 2013 04:29:45 8,466 posts
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    There's no reason to think about upgrading until around next March at the earliest if your current spec holds up.

    Could even be after that before any multiplatform games are released that aren't also released for PS3 and 360.
  • ecureuil 22 Feb 2013 05:16:47 76,795 posts
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    I've had an SSD for a month and it's the best upgrade I've ever made. Some games do benefit from it too, the faster loading is very much appreciated and you might be surprised at how much it improves the experience. Seems like it doesn't make any difference on some games though.
  • Cannon_Fodder 22 Feb 2013 08:49:31 219 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    Cannon_Fodder wrote:
    I wouldn't recommend the i5-760. I used to have it and it did it's purpose 2 years ago. If you're on a budget, go for the i5-2500K. If money isn't really much of an object, go for the i7-3770K. That's my current processor and I can't fault it. There are a few other 1155 socket processors (i7-2600K i think?). Either of those, can't go wrong.
    Agree with the i5-760 but frankly for gaming, I can't see him getting anything extra off an i5 (or i7) Ivy over the 2500k Sandy. This is even more true if you're overclocking.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2500k is easier to OC than the Ivy CPUs (in terms of maximum GHz), enough so that any performance benefit from the Ivy is lost...And certainly not worth the extra money you'll spend getting one.
    You are correct I believe. Thanks for the input, I run the 3770K stock speeds so I can't realy comment on OC'ing Ivybridge but I was pretty jelous of my friends when I was stuck with the 760 and they were achieving amazing overclocks on the 2500K. It's an amazing processor achieving both performance and a good price.

    Edited by Cannon_Fodder at 08:50:17 22-02-2013

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  • DiamondIce 22 Feb 2013 12:05:46 1,185 posts
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    I've been reading threads on Neogaf and people are seemingly 'panicking' and adding a second card to their set up e.g another GTX 670; 680 and would you believe it, 690.

    I guess they are just extreme enthusiasts that like to wave certain anatomical parts around?

    My system is a stock speed I5 3570K and GTX 670 with 8GB of oh-my-God-this-is-so-shit-since-Sony-announced-8GB-of-GDDR5-RAM DDR3 RAM.

    I assume all should be fine for me unless I want to run at 1000FPS at 10000x8000 resolution on Crysis 8?

    FLOPS! RAM!

  • SuperBas 22 Feb 2013 13:58:32 1,452 posts
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    That depends, what kind of cooling paste are you using?
  • MightyMetalMonkey 22 Feb 2013 14:22:55 600 posts
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    SuperBas wrote:
    That depends, what kind of cooling paste are you using?
    And does it have a cool minty smell ?
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