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  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2013 18:38:12 4,667 posts
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    mcmothercruncher wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    Somehow I doubt that the vast majority of child-raping Asians are devout Muslims.
    I bet a fair amount are -culturally at least- going through the motions though.
    Yes, it feels a bit dumb, but at least there is an effort being made to talk about it. I can't imagine Catholic ceremonies doing it, though that might be because the fuckers delivering the sermon, rather than listening to it, have the guilty conscience.
    If you mean that the rapists probably went through the motions of being religious then that might be true for some of them. I doubt that many in the gangs were truly devout Muslims. That's not to say that devout Muslims don't abuse children, I just doubt that they go around in gangs and hang around parks plying teenage girls with drugs and alcohol.

    As for them targeting white girls part of it is probably cultural, but part of it will be because there's probably far more white girls subject to the vulnerable circumstances that the rapists capitalised on. I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of abuse within Asian communities gets brushed under the carpet.
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2013 18:43:38 4,667 posts
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    And Graveland is confusing religion with dogma.
  • DFawkes 29 Jun 2013 19:29:41 26,183 posts
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    I always thought dogma is a part of religion (as you say, the central teachings considered absolute), but religion also includes all the stuff that is open to interpretation. They aren't really synonyms.
  • Khanivor 29 Jun 2013 19:33:05 41,971 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    And Graveland is confusing religion with dogma.
    The terms are synonymous. Dogma is the central teachings, or principles, of a faith which cannot be questioned because they underpin the very religion itself. Thou Shalt Not Worship False Idols = dogma. God created Mankind = dogma etc etc
    Raping children = interpretation aka denomination
  • mothercruncher 29 Jun 2013 19:34:19 9,930 posts
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    That's what I meant, they're going through the motions, because otherwise, absence at ceremonies etc would need explaining.

    I do think Graveland has a point about children.
    It would be absurd to announce a toddler is gay, or say "here's a 6 year old Tory" because they're areas you need to be an adult- or near to- to even grasp. Yet "Sikh child" or similar is somehow absolutely fine.
  • Khanivor 29 Jun 2013 19:53:26 41,971 posts
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    It's in the Bible. But as with anything in a holy text some folk pay attention to the really grim stuff while most folk just pretend it's not in there. When one group likes something and another doesn't then you have a schism, they form separate denominations or even more niche groupings and get on with following whichever selection they have chosen.

    Think of it like a Magic battle pack. All come from the same grand set of cards but each one has different powers and weaknesses depending on how the pack is formed.

    Believe it or not, most Muslims are sound people who think murder and rape are not kosher. But, like with all religions, the vocal nutters tend to run the show in as much as the public face is concerned. So you have a few nutbag Christians railing against teh gehy while most of them might disapprove, not give a toss or don't see it worth fussing over but are generally fine with letting gay is as gay does.
  • malloc 29 Jun 2013 20:51:48 2,588 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Khanivor wrote:
    Graveland wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    And Graveland is confusing religion with dogma.
    The terms are synonymous. Dogma is the central teachings, or principles, of a faith which cannot be questioned because they underpin the very religion itself. Thou Shalt Not Worship False Idols = dogma. God created Mankind = dogma etc etc
    Raping children = interpretation aka denomination
    Isn't it a religious teaching that a wife should submit to all her husband's requests, hence rape is not possible in a marriage? I'm not being deliberately provocative, I'm pretty sure the law in this country was changed a few years ago to rule out this defence in court.
    Err, no it's not in the Bible. Submissive yes, but not to all his requests.

    I got married a few weeks ago and had the Bible's view of husband and wife mentioned quite heavily and sadly no mention of my wife submitting to all my requests...
  • unicorn69 29 Jun 2013 21:36:13 84 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Khanivor wrote:
    Graveland wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    And Graveland is confusing religion with dogma.
    The terms are synonymous. Dogma is the central teachings, or principles, of a faith which cannot be questioned because they underpin the very religion itself. Thou Shalt Not Worship False Idols = dogma. God created Mankind = dogma etc etc
    Raping children = interpretation aka denomination
    Isn't it a religious teaching that a wife should submit to all her husband's requests, hence rape is not possible in a marriage? I'm not being deliberately provocative, I'm pretty sure the law in this country was changed a few years ago to rule out this defence in court.
    @Graveland ehrm....teaching a wife should submit to all her requests ? rape is not possible in a marriage ? Thats not true !
  • Moot_Point 20 Sep 2013 14:19:22 4,778 posts
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    Is putting a dress code into the contract of teachers that aren't Muslim a step too far?
    Article.
  • Carlo 20 Sep 2013 14:23:11 18,558 posts
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    Moot_Point wrote:
    Is putting a dress code into the contract of teachers that aren't Muslim a step too far?
    Article.
    Is the opposite also true (i.e. Muslims teachers banned from wearing their disguises in class)
  • nickthegun 20 Sep 2013 14:23:14 64,524 posts
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    Meh. Its like being required to wear a uniform at mcdonalds. if you dont like it, get a job at your local state school where you can wear an ugly jumper and cheap trousers all year.
  • Dougs 20 Sep 2013 14:25:23 72,987 posts
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    As with all these stories, I would be surprised if the reality bears any resemblance to the claims.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 14:25:36
    I suspect that, as with all things Torygraph/Daily Mail, we're not getting the whole story.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 14:26:31
    Look at me and Dougs, we're all synchronised and stuff.
  • Moot_Point 20 Sep 2013 14:26:39 4,778 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    (i.e. Muslims teachers banned from wearing their disguises in class)
    Sorry, but I lol'd.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 14:28:07
    if you mean 'disguises' yeah me too.
  • smoothpete 20 Sep 2013 14:28:33 32,404 posts
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    I have nothing against muslims but I hate ninjas, so it's very confusing.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 14:39:55
    Girls having to sit at the back of class? Did the Telegraph make that bit up or is it true?

    Why aren't there public-funded spaghetti monster schools?
  • Load_2.0 20 Sep 2013 14:41:34 21,091 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    I have nothing against muslims but I hate ninjas, so it's very confusing.
    Islam Islam
    You can never eat Ham
    Islam Islam
    Nor bacon or spam
    Islam Islam
    But you can have jam.
  • Load_2.0 20 Sep 2013 14:41:49 21,091 posts
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    I didn't mean to quote you.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 18:43:13
    to dress up in a costume to hide your identity. Generally when someone is after you.

    Why it was funny to use it in this context :D
  • FWB 20 Sep 2013 18:48:13 48,707 posts
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    Private school, do what they want. It's demeaning, but hey, that's what their god wants to be: a chauvinistic cunt.

    Go find a job/school where you don't have to do it.

    Edited by FWB at 18:48:35 20-09-2013
  • FWB 20 Sep 2013 19:06:14 48,707 posts
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    Ahh missed that part.

    State shouldn't be promoting any faith schools. But it does and if that's what the school is then, again, they can impose whatever moronic religious rules they like. Don't go there.

    Think Hunt recently said he would ask a doctor wearing a burka to remove it if they were treating him. Would do the same, or ask for a new doctor. But there I have no choice.

    Edited by FWB at 19:09:35 20-09-2013
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 19:47:16
    paradox that islamic women interviewed seem strong minded and clever.
  • Deleted user 20 September 2013 22:17:43
    No-one's after them! Gosh no. No, it's to prevent them from bewitching innocent men with their sorcery. Even mere eye-contact can induce an innocent chap to rape a sorceress against his will.
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