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  • GuiltySpark 15 Feb 2013 20:15:24 6,466 posts
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    X201 wrote:
    Dobbin was a Rentaghost reference.
    Ewwwwww, you're like, old.

    Get bent.

  • PazJohnMitch 15 Feb 2013 23:46:38 8,727 posts
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    I have eaten donkey a few times in China. The taste is quite similar to beef but it tended to be a little bit chewier. Although the only real way of telling the difference was from the grain of the meat. I can easily see that horse meet could be passed off as beef.

    I have now learnt the Chinese character for beef. So I shouldn't order donkey by accident again.
  • riceNpea 16 Feb 2013 00:00:27 592 posts
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    i like donkey. they're full of sweets and you hit them with a big stick.
  • Deleted user 16 February 2013 03:16:55
    Not really the point is it, what else are they putting in our food, Cats and dogs, maybe even humans.

    I hear after they moved Cadbury production to Eastern Europe they're bulking our Dairy Milks out with human shite!
  • DaM 16 Feb 2013 09:49:45 13,529 posts
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    DFawkes wrote:
    I buy a lot of the burgers from Tesco and ASDA, mostly because they were really tasty. If they were horse, I hope they do horse burgers from now on.
    Sold out :( More in next week. Guaranteed no beef :)

    Heard a farmer on the radio saying that the stuff he buys to put on the floor of his eh cow house is more expensive than horse mince.

    Findus should just rebrand everything with "meat". Meat lasagne, problem solved.
  • DaM 16 Feb 2013 09:58:31 13,529 posts
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    EMarkM wrote:
    I have a technical question: what the fucking FUCK is in donner kebabs?
    My Dad used to work in an abattoir (on the finance side, not shooting cows in the head). Every part, absolutely every part of the animals are used, there isn't a part that isn't sold to someone.

    When every remotely decent sellable scrap of lamb sheep was removed and sold, what was left was removed by various means from the carcass and sold to a couple of blokes who made the elephant legs.

    It was an Irish company that owned the plant, and it sounded a bit mental. He says that the Irish meat industry was just about cheap - all "crooks, thieves and liars" apparently - they would get orders from supermarkets, then set about trying to produce it to the absolute minimum quality, doing whatever dodgy tricks they could come up with to bring the cost down.
  • EMarkM 16 Feb 2013 10:28:27 3,423 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    My Dad used to work in an abattoir (on the finance side, not shooting cows in the head). Every part, absolutely every part of the animals are used, there isn't a part that isn't sold to someone.

    When every remotely decent sellable scrap of lamb sheep was removed and sold, what was left was removed by various means from the carcass and sold to a couple of blokes who made the elephant legs.

    It was an Irish company that owned the plant, and it sounded a bit mental. He says that the Irish meat industry was just about cheap - all "crooks, thieves and liars" apparently - they would get orders from supermarkets, then set about trying to produce it to the absolute minimum quality, doing whatever dodgy tricks they could come up with to bring the cost down.
    Thanks for the info - most enlightening, although a large part of me simply wants to say, "no surprise!"
  • Big-Swiss 16 Feb 2013 10:29:18 8,241 posts
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    I have experienced in the USA, that speaking about eating horse meat, is like speaking of fucking a dog. The people there seem to really have a connection to horses which is much closer than here in Switzerland. Probably because the whole wild west culture and a horse is as much a best friend to a man like a dog.

    So is that the same in the UK then? seems like it from the outside.

    Here in Sitzerland eating horse meat is very common. Not on a weekly basis, but from time to time. It is normal and good. of course there are a lot of people in Switzerland who don't eat horse, but the ones that do aren't looked at in a bad way. It is more normal and accepted here.
  • EMarkM 16 Feb 2013 10:34:51 3,423 posts
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    @Big-Swiss Legend has it that, during the two World Wars of the 20th century, British people unknowingly ate huge amounts of horse meat, similar to what is happening today.

    But I would say that, yes, it is similar to the USA in that many people feel an affinity with horses in the same way that they do with pets such as dogs and cats, and therefore it is not at all acceptable to be eating them, whereas eating a farm animal bred for that purpose is OK.

    As pointed out elsewhere, though, the real scandal is that we have been eating unidentified products of ANY kind. The Soylent Green association is relevant, I suppose, in that, really, who knows?

    You could build this into any of those huge conspiracy theories that are knocking around, but the upshot is that people have been misled, and specifically about something that we put into our bodies.

    Not good.
  • riceNpea 16 Feb 2013 10:37:10 592 posts
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    lavalant wrote:
    Not really the point is it, what else are they putting in our food, Cats and dogs, maybe even humans.

    I hear after they moved Cadbury production to Eastern Europe they're bulking our Dairy Milks out with human shite!


    yum....picture the ad, woman lying in a bath, leg draped over the side, bubble bath covering her smooth, glistening skin, holding a nutty cylinder of faecal matter to her mouth...music cuts in...

    only the crumbliest, flakiest, man shit
    tastes like man shit never tasted before


    camera cuts away to a hairy arsed labourer holding his butt cheeks open curling out a cable of shit into a glass and a half of milk. RRP 49p. bargain.
  • Big-Swiss 16 Feb 2013 11:37:53 8,241 posts
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    @EMarkM

    cheers for the reply.

    Yes, I absolutley understand, by the way, the same scandal is in Switzerland at the moment, also companies delivering into Swiss supermarket chains are involved in the scandal, and it is all over our news.

    Ii is really not good, and the people here also have the same problem with the issue, being lied to, and being upset because of that. And I totally agree!

    I just found the whole horse meat situation in general interesting, also because a few years ago I was very caught off guard, when my US family discarded me for liking horse meat. The subject came up out of nowhere and everyone thought I was making a awkward unfunny joke.......

    Being a dual citizen, dual cultured man, I love these situation, when everyone is lost in translation, not in case of language but in case of culture translation. For me both is fine, eating it or speaking the horse holy, both is understandable.

    But you can tell, that in the UK also by reading this thread, people get a little bit more wounded up cause of the horse meat. While in Switzerland the people would be more like. "Fuck, these bastards lied ot us......but yummy, horse meat!"

    while in mean time in the US, the miltary would be sent to eastern Europe for traking and killing the evil horse murderers.

    on the other hand, we are all concentrating on companies lying to us cause of a product to eat, while the gouverment lies every day about tons of shit they do. Things that acctually affect our lives much more.
  • DaM 16 Feb 2013 11:52:48 13,529 posts
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    Actually Big Swiss, I think the surprising thing in the UK is that people haven't been that bothered by the fact that it is horse - in fact, I bet you if Tesco started a Horse aisle, with cheap tasty meat it would be a hit!

    I think eyebrows are being raised at the tortuous supply chain this stuff comes along to reach us, and at how easy it's been to slip this stuff into the supply chain.

    My wife visited a lab yesterday (she sells scientific equipment). They specialise in testing for animal DNA - they are loving this, never been so busy :)

    I would have thought it would have been quite easy to quickly test meat on the spot for different species based on protein.
  • riceNpea 16 Feb 2013 11:58:57 592 posts
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    @DaM


    it's a really simple test actually.

    you just need a petri dish, meat samples, a rod of metal and a flame thrower. place the meat into the dish, heat the rod with the flamethrower and touch the meat with the rod. if the meat leaps from the dish it's horse.
  • crispyduckman 16 Feb 2013 12:04:37 1,889 posts
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    riceNpea wrote:
    @DaM


    it's a really simple test actually.

    you just need a petri dish, meat samples, a rod of metal and a flame thrower. place the meat into the dish, heat the rod with the flamethrower and touch the meat with the rod. if the meat leaps from the dish it's horse.
    I tried this and my tesco burger bit my girlfriend's face off.

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  • DaM 16 Feb 2013 12:05:17 13,529 posts
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    I was thinking more of an ELISA test, but that might work. My method would also allow for the testing for rat, cat etc at the same time though.

    /Dragons Den
  • riceNpea 16 Feb 2013 12:10:21 592 posts
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    crispyduckman wrote:
    riceNpea wrote:
    @DaM


    it's a really simple test actually.

    you just need a petri dish, meat samples, a rod of metal and a flame thrower. place the meat into the dish, heat the rod with the flamethrower and touch the meat with the rod. if the meat leaps from the dish it's horse.
    I tried this and my tesco burger bit my girlfriend's face off.
    i'm afraid your girlfriend has been infected. do her a favour and torch her. failing that enter her at the 2:30 at Kempton Park and put 40 on her each way.
  • fletch7100 16 Feb 2013 12:34:37 7,446 posts
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    http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/8844521/the-horsemeat-scandal-shows-the-true-extent-of-europes-power-in-britain/

    http://www.britishpathe.com/video/the-horsemeat-scandal

    Pathe news reel about the horse meat scandal in 1948. Could buy horse meat,the price was controlled. Criminals were selling horse meat via the black market and passed it off as beef. Remember this was after the war, meat rationing was still in effect until the 1950s I believe. Different era and circumstances

    Edited by fletch7100 at 12:48:30 16-02-2013
  • GuiltySpark 16 Feb 2013 15:11:59 6,466 posts
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    Ka-blamo wrote:
    Big Swiss, the issue's are both that it's horse and we were misled.

    Culturally we have never eaten horse(on purpose) I hate the idea of it, just as if it was a dog or cat.

    It's something that made us ill that gross foreigners like the french ate, along with anything else they could get their hands on(frogs, snails)

    It's not so much to do with tasting the same as beef or no-one noticing making it okay. It's because it's a fucking horse! If we found traces of goose in some chicken product it wouldn't even make the news.

    Generally the anger priority of one person is:

    46% Eeeww Horse!

    49% You lied to us!

    4% what other animal have we been eating that we don't know about

    1% the horse medicine in the horses that could kill us if we ate it
    I don't know if it's because my circle of friends are all dirty students, but no one particularly cares that it is horse. Well actually, I haven't really spoken to anyone (in real life, rather than the BURN THE HORSE HEATHENS kneejerk reactions of the internet) who gives a fuck either way.

    I work in one of the affected supermarkets and it's generally a jokey subject, no one gives a fuck about horses because we certainly don't have any sort of affinity with horses - why would we?

    I also ate some tasty minty lamb burgers as well, they were good. People throwing food away because of this? You've ate this food a million times, this isn't a new thing, at least eat the stuff you've bought.

    Edited by GuiltySpark at 15:13:35 16-02-2013

    Get bent.

  • GuiltySpark 16 Feb 2013 15:46:16 6,466 posts
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    YOU'RE a horse country.

    Get bent.

  • riceNpea 16 Feb 2013 15:52:11 592 posts
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    Ka-blamo wrote:
    We're a horse country, we have horses as pets, we bet on them, we love them, girls grow up dreaming of owning one.

    To say it's no difference to cows is being disingenuous, I find it funny too in a way. And Im not too upset as it's not like someones put razor blades in the burgers.

    But it's very clear status wise horses are scores of levels higher than cows in this country, because you've never felt like horses mean anything to you is irrelevant, just like if I didn't care about cats doesn't mean I can claim cat bacon is the same as pig and wonder what the fuss is about.
    finally a use for cats. cat bacon.
  • oceanmotion 16 Feb 2013 16:06:44 16,126 posts
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    The more pressing issue is meat sourcing, regulation and quality.

    Sure, Horse may be in some stuff but it brings up the real problems. In a lot of food you don't know what your eating, animal, quality, safety if they are able to sneak stuff in like this. Horse might not be so bad but was it healthy, drugs etc. What else might get in there.

    Not that I would eat the stuff this is likely in but a lot of people do. Needs to be sorted.
  • Carlo 16 Feb 2013 21:05:59 18,218 posts
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    Ka-blamo wrote:
    We're a horse country, we have horses as pets, we bet on them, we love them, girls grow up dreaming of...
    OK let me stop you right there!

    We all know what girls dream about regarding horses and it's disgusting.

    DISGUSTING!

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