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  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 17:38:00 565 posts
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    kalel wrote:
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    As I said the paper panders to what people want, the Sun reflects poplulist demands. I'm not defending it, I just think it's inevitable.
    This is a chicken and egg thing though surely. You've been saying all along that the readers of The Sun are more interested in a light approach to the news, spirt and boobs. Is there really going to be outrage is The Sun were to simply stop being slightly xenophobic and right wing?

    That's where the accusations of an agenda come in. The Sun would probably not lose a single reader if it were to take a more liberal position, or even just float like The Independent or whatever.
    This bit I disagree with. You just don't know. The tabloid tone has evolved over centuries. The Sun is the most popular paper. Now the idea that you can just change it, and it won't affect the readership, that people don't prefer the more right wing stuff - well you really don't know. As I said editors pick stories and tones that they think chime with their readership.

    Is some of their readership the type that will appreciate headlines like 'Bender it like Beckham'. Of course. Do I personally defend that? Of course not.

    I'm not saying the Sun is perfect. What I am saying, once and for all, is that it is the bestselling newspaper in the land. You might find that sad, you might hate it's politics, or morals, or tone. But it reflects people. I like to understand what people are reading, so I read the Sun.
  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 17:45:09 565 posts
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    @monkman76

    Orpheus's point was that a story promoted a conservative political agenda. I disputed that it had anything to do with politics. He raised the political point, not me.

    How can you distance party politics from politics in general?

    The right wing leaning is not a political one. My point was rather it has fuck all to do with politics, something which the fact that the Sun changes which party it supports on a regular basis proves more adequately than anything I can say.
  • monkman76 12 Feb 2013 17:46:48 1,835 posts
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    How can a right wing leaning not be political?!

    You have a very narrow idea of what politics means, is all I can say.

    Edited by monkman76 at 17:47:48 12-02-2013
  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 17:53:45 565 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    macmurphy wrote:
    @monkman76

    Answer the question. Did you see a change in the Sun's values or tone when it swapped from Conservative to Labour in the nineties, or when it swapped back in 2009.

    I didn't, so trying to budle it's promotion of (what you percieve to be) conservative values with Conservative politics doesn't stand up.
    I don't read it enough to be able to judge, so I'll have to take your word for the tone not having changed. But orpheus's original point that we're still debating was not about party politics, it was about a broader political leaning (that being a rather nasty vindictive right-wing one). It's you who keeps bringing it back to party politics.
    What I meant to say was to agrue was that the paper does not have a nasty vindictive right wing tone, as you suggest. It's moral tone does not have a basis in politics, something evidenced by the fact it changes political parties regularly. I used the term 'right wing' incorrectly in my previous post.
  • RyanDS 12 Feb 2013 17:59:50 7,646 posts
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    What's the difference between the Sun and the Beano?

    One is 40p the other is £1.50
  • disusedgenius 12 Feb 2013 18:07:52 4,848 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    What I meant to say was to agrue was that the paper does not have a nasty vindictive right wing tone, as you suggest.
    Well now you're just being silly.
    It's moral tone does not have a basis in politics, something evidenced by the fact it changes political parties regularly.
    Hardly, it just changed it's chosen party when Labour made an active lurch to the right into it's territory.
  • gamingdave 12 Feb 2013 18:09:29 3,814 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    This bit I disagree with. You just don't know. The tabloid tone has evolved over centuries. The Sun is the most popular paper. Now the idea that you can just change it, and it won't affect the readership, that people don't prefer the more right wing stuff - well you really don't know. As I said editors pick stories and tones that they think chime with their readership.
    It's certainly not a black and white issue but culture has been shaped massively because of media. As Kalel said its a chicken and egg situation but I think in this case the Sun along with other tabloids have shaped it's readers more than the other way round.

    The rise of the celebrity only being famous because they are famous would simply not have happened without tabloid media (and I include TV in this). In the past famous people were famous because they actually achieved something great and people wanted to know more about these feats of endeavour. Of course it's much easier for a tabloid to "create" a star so they can shape them and use them as they see fit. They make them famous so they can sell us their stories.

    macmurphy wrote:
    I'm not saying the Sun is perfect. What I am saying, once and for all, is that it is the bestselling newspaper in the land. You might find that sad, you might hate it's politics, or morals, or tone. But it reflects people. I like to understand what people are reading, so I read the Sun.
    I could see why you would want to occasionally read it so that you could be aware of how it operates before engaging in conversation with someone about it. But you don't need to read it daily to know that what they are probably gaining from it is not exactly the truth.

    Surely you are better of reading more honest news so when someone down the pub exclaims "you erd bout these dodgy rumaniam abetwars filling our burgers with horse" you can actually correct them and hopefully educate them on the real story?

    Edited by gamingdave at 18:10:51 12-02-2013
  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 18:14:52 565 posts
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    @disusedgenius

    I'm playing poker and doing a hundred things at once, i think i'm done as I'm tripping overmyself now. The comment related to a story. someone said the story was right wing, i disagreed. I meant to say, that on a lot of the stories, the moral tone probably has more to do with class than politics.

    I think the moral tone in general doesn't have much to do with politics. I think the paper is not the political mouthpiece people have it down for, that they are reading into it too much.

    It is, of course, a right wing paper.
  • LeoliansBro 12 Feb 2013 18:15:41 35,125 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    It is, of course, a right wing paper.
    Never more so than when it came out for Labour in 1997 ;)

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • nickthegun 12 Feb 2013 18:18:03 44,589 posts
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  • disusedgenius 12 Feb 2013 18:18:25 4,848 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    I think the moral tone in general doesn't have much to do with politics.
    I have no idea what you mean by this. It's offering commentary on political subjects - it has a political opinion, be that weighted by class or race or income or whatever.
  • orpheus 12 Feb 2013 18:20:52 786 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    @monkman76

    Orpheus's point was that a story promoted a conservative political agenda. I disputed that it had anything to do with politics. He raised the political point, not me.
    Actually, I said the paper promoted a conservative political agenda, as opposed to any specific article, though the front page I linked seems to qualify perfectly well. Do get it right old chap.

    And, as to your most recent post, the idea that the papers' (undeniable) right wing tone does not have a basis in politics is laughable, to say the least. That the paper openly switched allegiances is only relevant if you conflate 'promoting a conservative political viewpoint' with 'promoting the Conservative party', which are not the same thing. And, just to throw another spanner in your somewhat creaky mentally constructed works, during the 'switch' in the 90s, Labour became 'New Labour', now widely accepted as the most right-wing period the Labour party has ever seen (anti union, pro free market, etc).

    The Sun promotes the politics of its owner, as do all of Murdoch's media. That this is an accepted fact across almost all of Europe when discussing something like Fox News, but impossible to concieve of when it comes to The Sun is hypocrisy (or ignorance) of the highest calibre. The paper promotes a disgusting 'little britain' ideology, front loaded with assumption, sneering at what it perceives to be 'social deviance', regularly printing outright fabrications and generally doing it's best to drag its readers back to the dark ages.

    The only reason it's not 'as bad' as Fox is the UKs rather stringent libel and other associated laws. If those laws didn't exist, I have no doubt whatsoever that it would be equally as vile - and even as it is now, it's not far off.

    Edited by orpheus at 18:22:55 12-02-2013
  • Moot_Point 12 Feb 2013 18:27:33 1,071 posts
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    macmurphy wrote:
    The tabloid tone has evolved over centuries.
    Glol. Oh your comment was serious?

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  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 18:40:06 565 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    macmurphy wrote:
    It is, of course, a right wing paper.
    Never more so than when it came out for Labour in 1997 ;)
    Right I haven't got time for everything. But this, really? Read the thread, we were talking about this five pages ago. Is it a right wing paper now? Yeah it is...
  • LeoliansBro 12 Feb 2013 18:42:08 35,125 posts
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    Was the winky face not big enough?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 18:42:47 565 posts
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    Moot_Point wrote:
    macmurphy wrote:
    The tabloid tone has evolved over centuries.
    Glol. Oh your comment was serious?
    In fact and this. you don't think you can trace the kind of things you see in Tabloids today back to Pope? People setting themselves up as guardians of virue, the reciprocal relationship between commentators reflecting the people and at the same time trying to dictate to people. I know when tabloids took their modern form, I have google too.
  • macmurphy 12 Feb 2013 18:43:41 565 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Was the winky face not big enough?
    Sorry i'm flashing now, my shit is not in one sock, apologies. this is ruining my poker game.
  • Chopsen 12 Feb 2013 19:10:28 13,727 posts
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbgul1NpEA8

    Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!

  • meme 15 Feb 2013 02:16:41 15,519 posts
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    Literally everything that's wrong with The Sun summed up by one single frontpage.

    GHOSTBUSTERS

  • Khanivor 15 Feb 2013 02:32:32 38,683 posts
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    I think there's words there somewhere but I can't get my eyes to focus on them.
  • Mola_Ram 15 Feb 2013 02:36:20 2,406 posts
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    Damn that's hot.
  • Psychotext 15 Feb 2013 02:50:01 49,221 posts
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    Ten minutes and he shot her again. What the fuck? That can't be right can it?

    This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.

  • kinky_mong 15 Feb 2013 11:32:42 7,985 posts
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    If I'd shot into her, I'd try my best to do it again 10 minutes later.

    Semen.
  • ZizouFC 15 Feb 2013 11:57:38 4,958 posts
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    @Psychotext

    I've only read that ten minutes later angle in The Sun...
  • neilka 15 Feb 2013 12:22:43 12,054 posts
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    Victory lap

    Even the toast is a ghost, and your daddy is in the toast!

  • anthonypappa 20 Feb 2013 15:18:48 1,398 posts
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    flicked to page 3 today.

    what do i see?

    no tits.
  • Deckard1 20 Feb 2013 15:19:40 18,110 posts
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    Not even a reflective surface in there?
  • neilka 20 Feb 2013 15:24:18 12,054 posts
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    Was it the Argos catalogue anthony? The other reading material in your household.

    Even the toast is a ghost, and your daddy is in the toast!

  • anthonypappa 20 Feb 2013 15:44:41 1,398 posts
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    page 3 isn't typically meant for reading.

    this better be a water-testing trial.

    damn lesbo's will be thinking they are triumphant in some sort of davina vs goliath situation.

    watch the readship fall, and the tits come back out.
  • quadfather 20 Feb 2013 15:46:23 4,737 posts
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    /popcorn

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