Are you proud to be English? Page 11

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  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:07:19
    England doesn't have an official national anthem, different songs are used for different things.
  • jonsaan 11 Feb 2013 19:09:59 25,326 posts
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    Isn't Swing Low an African slavery song?

    FCUTA!

  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:21:13
    Native American African Freedman.

    Edited by Aargh. at 19:21:58 11-02-2013
  • RedSparrows 11 Feb 2013 19:24:54 21,988 posts
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    Pretty sure last time I watched England play a football match the England fans were festooned in England flags.

    If you look back at Euro 96 or something, you might see more Union Jacks. What changed? Why a sudden resurgence of 'pride'? Centred on what?
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:25:55
    Strange we don't have one. Jerusalem for me, land of hope and glory also up there.
  • Bremenacht 11 Feb 2013 19:33:29 17,600 posts
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  • Rusty_M 11 Feb 2013 19:35:17 4,565 posts
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    I always thought Land of Hope and Glory worked quite well (as a tune, I don't know the lyrics), but it's not really for me to say what the English anthem should be.

    Maybe I was thinking of Euro 96. To be honest, this isn't so much an issue of national pride to me as it is me being a pedant. I just think the appropriate term/flag/song should be used.

    How about Gangnam Style for your anthem? It's more upbeat than most national anthems. Why are they almost always so dreary?

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  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:36:36
    RedSparrows wrote:
    If you look back at Euro 96 or something, you might see more Union Jacks. What changed?
    You might do. (you won't)

    Also, Union Flag.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:40:45
    Aargh. wrote:
    RedSparrows wrote:
    If you look back at Euro 96 or something, you might see more Union Jacks. What changed?
    You might do. (you won't)

    Also, Union Flag.
    Indeed, jack is what the flag is on. On ships?

    Edited by Pepsipop at 19:42:43 11-02-2013
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:42:57
    And what is a jack, Mr Pepsipop?
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:43:24
    Oh, never mind. You edited it to look more stupid.

    As you were.
  • RedSparrows 11 Feb 2013 19:45:28 21,988 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    RedSparrows wrote:
    If you look back at Euro 96 or something, you might see more Union Jacks. What changed?
    You might do. (you won't)

    Also, Union Flag.
    Fair enough, I misremembered.

    So, really, what changed at all?
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:46:13
    Wow you really are that sad.

    I just checked...

    the jack flag had existed for over a hundred and fifty years before the jack staff came into being, and its name was related to its size rather than to the position in which it was flown.

    It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship...

    So how do I deserve more abuse??
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:48:29
    So I said it was what it way flying on, the jack staff, then I guessed or vaguely remembered it was on ships. I'm sure most of the forum didn't know that and yet I'm really dumb?
  • Rusty_M 11 Feb 2013 19:49:40 4,565 posts
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    Nothing has changed by the looks of things. I just looked up photos of England fans and saw many St George's crosses and very few union flags. It seems I'm full of shit.

    Sorry.

    Edited by Rusty_M at 19:50:25 11-02-2013

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  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:50:03
    It is often stated, but it's not actually true. It's Union Flag or the Union Jack. Both are correct. Where the flag is doesn't matter at all.

    It's one of those random urban legends that hangs around.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:51:36
    The flag institute is less lax about such naming.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:53:16
    I will look it up some more. I'm interested, I just remembered it from what my dad told me years ago and he was in the military. That pasted section above was from a Commodore in the royal navy.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:55:53
    That pasted section above is also incomplete.

    "It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag."

    It's also from a Commander, not a Commodore.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 19:58:41
    My mistake, I not re checked but will take your word for it. I must have mistakenly read the abbreviation on the gentlemans rank.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 20:08:38
    I feel mildly guilty.

    Apologies for my behaviour today.
  • CosmicFuzz 11 Feb 2013 20:09:38 23,132 posts
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    Yeah, no one gives a fuck about St Andrews day.

    Is anyone else getting a bit bored with remastered games? Read my thoughts!

  • RedSparrows 11 Feb 2013 20:10:59 21,988 posts
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    It's because the Scots are repressed and despised by their English over-masters.
  • mal 11 Feb 2013 20:13:05 22,332 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Pretty sure last time I watched England play a football match the England fans were festooned in England flags.

    If you look back at Euro 96 or something, you might see more Union Jacks. What changed? Why a sudden resurgence of 'pride'? Centred on what?
    IIRC as part of Euro 96 there was a bit of general discussion about who these fuckwits showing the wrong flag were. I'm guessing that's the reason why.

    Also, that's about the same time the racists stopped using the union flag and started using St George more. But obviously that's just a coincidence.

    Edit: Also, I've probably missed the most obvious reason for the change in behaviour - you can't hang a St George's flag upside down.

    Edited by mal at 20:14:14 11-02-2013

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  • skuzzbag 11 Feb 2013 20:41:23 5,635 posts
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    It's because the cross is easier to paint on your face surely?
  • DrStrangelove 11 Feb 2013 20:45:00 3,365 posts
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    Nothing wrong with a certain(!) amount of patriotism I think. As long as it doesn't lead to presumption and degradation of others. As long as it doesn't prevent you from watching what others do better and learning from them. And as long as it doesn't make you turn a blind eye on what's wrong with your country.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 21:00:30
    Jesus wept this is a tawdry thread of the worst kind.

    Who the fk's sock is this pepsipop numpty? Or is it, worse than that, an actual real poster?
  • Dougs 11 Feb 2013 21:07:57 66,611 posts
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    Rusty_M wrote:
    Nothing has changed by the looks of things. I just looked up photos of England fans and saw many St George's crosses and very few union flags. It seems I'm full of shit.

    Sorry.
    Go back to the 1982, 86 and 90 World Cups and you'd be right. That was more down to More of a presence from the NF and C18 etc in those times.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 21:11:56
    Ironlungs76 wrote:
    Jesus wept this is a tawdry thread of the worst kind.

    Who the fk's sock is this pepsipop numpty? Or is it, worse than that, an actual real poster?
    For what? Discussing national pride? Touchy.
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 21:20:50
    No dice with me, I'm Welsh by birth so you can carry on being an idiot creating antagonistic threads like this as long as you so chose.
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