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  • LeoliansBro 2 Feb 2013 12:05:53 44,246 posts
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    As a professional troll, I'm concerned that I've yet to receive any money. Also I've bern getting my job description wrong for years it would seem.

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  • oceanmotion 2 Feb 2013 12:13:34 15,951 posts
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    Thinking about the controller again, have Sony ever had concave sticks?

    Might just be bad luck or too much Fifa but the top has comes off the stick on two different controllers. They need to fix that.
  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 12:32:12 78,209 posts
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    I believe someone patented concave sticks, but I might be wrong.

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  • mal 2 Feb 2013 12:35:52 22,560 posts
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    Logitech controllers usually have concave sticks, I thought, as well as the 360 (and original xbox) pads. Nintendo, Sega and Sony sticks have always been convex, as far as I recall (although looking now at a picture of a Saturn 3D control pad, that looks concave to me)

    Edited by mal at 12:42:18 02-02-2013

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  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 12:40:50 78,209 posts
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    The difference is quite large, if your thumb is in a cup, you push the stick around, but on a round, you're having to press down on it to pull it around it which is far less comfortable for extended periods.

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  • FuzzyDuck 2 Feb 2013 13:04:39 4,139 posts
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    @oceanmotion

    This is yer boy here, the original analogue controller released for the PS1:



    I think the sticks on the PS3 pad are just the right size, the ones on the PS2 are that wee bit bigger and tiring, while all of Nintendo's sticks leave me with cramp. Curious to why Sony ditched the original sticks now.

    Edited by FuzzyDuck at 13:08:37 02-02-2013
  • mal 2 Feb 2013 13:12:11 22,560 posts
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    Ah, well spotted. I'd forgotten those sticks.

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  • CosmicFuzz 2 Feb 2013 13:13:44 24,360 posts
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    Weird, I don't remember those sticks on the PS1 at all.

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  • Syrette 2 Feb 2013 13:15:42 43,503 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Haha, I just had a thought. I bet vizzini actually believes I get paid by Microsoft to make Sony look like shit. Just like he believes MS paid developers to make worse versions of games for the PS3.
    Genius bit of marketing if that's the case.

  • FuzzyDuck 2 Feb 2013 13:16:54 4,139 posts
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    If memory serves correctly, didn't it have a really short production run before they [s]upgraded[/s] changed to the original Dualshock design?

    Only ever messed about with an in store demo, never knew anyone that actually owned one (despite me and all my mates owning PS1s).

    Edited by FuzzyDuck at 13:18:04 02-02-2013
  • VandelayIndustries 2 Feb 2013 13:17:16 1,523 posts
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    Neogaf keeps redirecting to go daddy dot com and I needs my next gen rumour mongering and wild speculation from armchair experts! :/

    Edited by VandelayIndustries at 13:18:14 02-02-2013

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  • mal 2 Feb 2013 13:24:24 22,560 posts
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    CosmicFuzz wrote:
    Weird, I don't remember those sticks on the PS1 at all.
    As I recall, they were only ever an extra peripheral you could buy, and was only available for a short time before the dualshock came about (and replaced the original controller as the pack-in controller). I'm not sure it even ever came to Europe - I've never seen on of them in the flesh.

    Apparently, it had another feature, apart from the concave sticks that a good half of eg is still crying out for on current PS pads - ridges on the L and R buttons. Not sure if they were enough to stop your finger slipping off, but at least you'd know when you had.

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  • Psychotext 2 Feb 2013 13:50:11 54,209 posts
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    The L&R buttons are fine on the current controller. What people want are proper triggers instead of the shitty L2 and R2 buttons.
  • mal 2 Feb 2013 13:59:42 22,560 posts
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    When I say L and R, I mean L1 and L2 as well as R1 and R2.

    Proper analogue L2 and R2 would be nice, but the ability to hit them reliably at all should be a precursor.

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  • Rodriguez 2 Feb 2013 14:05:42 1,094 posts
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    Those analogue sticks on the early Dualshock pic FuzzyDuck posted look very similar to the current ones Microsoft use on their 'upgraded' pads with the swivel d-pad.

  • Maturin 2 Feb 2013 15:05:06 3,002 posts
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    mal wrote:
    CosmicFuzz wrote:
    Weird, I don't remember those sticks on the PS1 at all.
    As I recall, they were only ever an extra peripheral you could buy, and was only available for a short time before the dualshock came about (and replaced the original controller as the pack-in controller). I'm not sure it even ever came to Europe - I've never seen on of them in the flesh.
    They were available for a while, I had one and we sold them in the EB where I worked.

    My first dual shock came later in a Japanese Import Tekken 3 bundle - which I think was the way Sony first launched the rumble pad.
  • richardiox 2 Feb 2013 15:26:28 5,596 posts
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    I thought rumble first made an appearance with the launch of Gran Turismo.
  • Maturin 2 Feb 2013 15:39:02 3,002 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    I thought rumble first made an appearance with the launch of Gran Turismo.
    Yes perhaps, was quite a while ago and I've slept since. :)

    I didn't see any controllers imported here with GT. The first chance I had to get one was with a Tekken 3 import.

    Managed to get a Japanese import of Gran Turismo the month that famous Edge 10/10 was published. I didn't see any controllers offered anywhere and it was an effort to get one of the few imports of just the GT game.

    But once I got my Tekken 3 controller it did work with GT.
  • sanctusmortis 2 Feb 2013 16:10:51 9,631 posts
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    Dumb things are being said by people. Like, "the new Xbox pad breaks in half so it can be used with the new Kinect" dumb. The whole "PS4 1.5x more powerful than 720" comes from the idea the PS4 GPU has that many more pipelines allegedly, but what it actually means practically will likely come down to the implementation of said chip. You can put an awesome GPU in a shitty system, it'll do a lot less than upgrading all the other parts would.

    This is the issue with this part of the console cycle: we can get specs and stats and all sorts of crap, and it can or can't be accurate - and it means shit til we see something we understand to make it all make sense, such as footage of a game running on it.

    All I want from the next gen is the permanent end of screen tearing, with 1080P over HDMI as standard. That's it. I don't care if it's 30 or 60 FPS, just that it's stable and non-tearing. Things I'd like is some usability of existing pads on at least one system, full Skype integration for Live, a better reason to subscribe to online services than "or else we lock out features that should be standard" (see: cloud saving, web apps), and cloud storing of all saves as standard.

    So, quick poll: who thinks Sony will learn their pricing lessons? Who thinks over 500? I'm latter camp. I mean, people buy iPads and laptops and TVs like it's nothing, and I think Sony will see that as enough justification to price high. I think MS will drive to have at least one SKU at 400.
  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 16:34:06 78,209 posts
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    I think it's pointless to speculate about any of that crap.

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  • nickthegun 2 Feb 2013 17:20:48 59,937 posts
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    If you think people place the same value on a sony product as they do an apple product, youre mental.

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  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 17:22:30 78,209 posts
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    Sony's definitely almost near the top end of the mass produced plasticy throwaway crap electronics market.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:43:10 02-02-2013

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  • FuzzyDuck 2 Feb 2013 17:53:25 4,139 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Sony's definitely almost near the top end of the mass produced plasticy throwaway crap electronics market.
    Yeah, famed for their shitty TVs. That 18 year old Sony hifi I have that can still rattle my neighbour's dentures is piece of tat too... sheesh :rolleyes:
  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 17:56:50 78,209 posts
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    Their TVs are shit.

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  • CharlieStCloud 2 Feb 2013 18:00:01 5,202 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Their TVs are shit.
    Nowadays, yes ... but not shit.

    In the 90's?

    Nnooo. They were some of the best.

    No more arguing please Mr. Dirtbox ... : )
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  • Dirtbox 2 Feb 2013 18:02:38 78,209 posts
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    Trinitrons were the shit, agreed.

    Except for the two lines above and below the center on any screen over 21".

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  • Psychotext 2 Feb 2013 18:13:37 54,209 posts
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    Why are we talking about the 90s like they're now? Sony used to be top of the tree in consumer electronics, no question... but that's not the Sony we have now.

    They spend too long trading on their reputation rather than R&D. The only thing they're unmatched at now is camera sensors.
  • Armoured_Bear 2 Feb 2013 18:55:39 11,268 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Their TVs are shit.
    Stop talking shit, in the higher end of the LCD market they make some of the best and nicest looking TVs around.

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  • LeoliansBro 2 Feb 2013 18:57:43 44,246 posts
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    Actually LG make them.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

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