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  • LeoliansBro 27 Jan 2013 11:12:45 43,632 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Amongst many other things, I support the death penalty, a secular State, reduction in mass-immigration, an increase in the minimum wage, environmentalism, de-classification of most drugs, Child Benefit capped after second child, withdrawal of UK from Afghanistan, re-Nationalisation of utility/rail companies.
    No, yes, strawman, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, no.

    A good effort.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • spamdangled 27 Jan 2013 11:18:17 27,276 posts
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    Kosmoz wrote:
    It's all pointless. That's my view.
    A view I'm begrudgingly starting to agree with.

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 27 Jan 2013 11:18:46 6,654 posts
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    Idealistically i guess i'm left wing.
  • ZuluHero 27 Jan 2013 11:23:44 4,093 posts
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    Sociopath Scientologist.
  • PazJohnMitch 27 Jan 2013 11:31:50 7,954 posts
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    I think people should be free to move anywhere in the world. Why should people born in awful conditions be forced to stay there?

    This is clearly impossible with all the individual politics and religions in each country. Therefore to achieve something that I believe is fundamentally right all politics and religion would have to stop. And doing that would create more issues.

    So in summary there is no correct answer where politics is concerned.
  • andytheadequate 27 Jan 2013 12:02:51 8,108 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    Graveland wrote:
    Amongst many other things, I support the death penalty, a secular State, reduction in mass-immigration, an increase in the minimum wage, environmentalism, de-classification of most drugs, Child Benefit capped after second child, withdrawal of UK from Afghanistan, re-Nationalisation of utility/rail companies.

    Basically, my political viewpoints reflect those of the majority of people that I know but there isn't a single Party that represents these views.
    Because it is up there with 'people starving in Africa makes me sad' on the political ideology scale. I.e. it's not really a political persuasion at all.
    To a degree, you're right. But it isn't difficult to turn feelings/ideals into political ideology. Sadness felt about starving Africans = increase in foreign aid etc
    Imagine how much all that would cost. No elected politician would possibly do all that as they'd have to raise taxes by ridiculous levels. Politics is about compromise, as there isn't enough money or time to do everything
  • Rodney 27 Jan 2013 12:44:54 1,859 posts
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    Sometimes I look at the Scandinavian countries and think they've got it about right so I geuss I'm left leaning but I think Im fairly pragmatic about it. libertarianism underpins a lot of my belifs which puts me more on the right on some issues. Im also full of self doubt so have few strong convictions.
  • Mr_Sleep 27 Jan 2013 12:49:33 16,920 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Where the evidence of guilt is 100%, I support the Death Penalty.
    The very problem with that notion is that there is rarely proof 100% of anything criminal. Jury trials are a mess of misunderstandings, biases and cowardice. Confessions are not even that secure in some ways, one could argue that they may have forced a confession.

    Take Ian Brady as an example - 100% guilty of his crimes and will never leave prison alive. Rather than waste resources by keeping him alive surely it would be more humane to have simply given him a painless execution all those years ago?
    Turn that on its head, what if he hadn't been guilty and he had been executed, the state has then been complicit in the murder of a person.

    If the evidence isn't 100% (such as criminal recording their own crimes, physical evidence linking criminal to crime such as multiple bodies in the Fred/Rose West case) then the possibility of death penalty should be removed.
    All proof that I know of suggests that the death penalty is not a deterrent, now it is argued that some states in America are not even concerned as to whether it deters anything, they just think it is an appropriate action when someone has committed such a crime. Put it this way though, a lot of crimes are committed on the spur of the moment when someone loses control of themselves, yet the state would essentially be sober and considerate of its actions as it puts someone to death.

    I'm also fairly convinced that one would never be able to cherry pick a law in quite the fashion you would like it to be.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 12:55:15 27-01-2013

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Mr_Sleep 27 Jan 2013 12:52:40 16,920 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Yes, in Denmark you pay around 40% tax on your earnings as standard (not including 25% VAT and a raft of other taxes), but you really see the benefit these taxes bring to society.
    One of the differences is that the taxes we pay in the UK are frittered on corruption and greed. Oh and the ever so important nuclear deterrent. Oh and let's not forget all the important world policing Britain has to do as the global powerhouse it is.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • disusedgenius 27 Jan 2013 12:53:50 5,271 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    Turn that on its head, what if he hadn't been guilty and he had been executed, the state has then complicit in the murder of a person.
    Also: would we ever get a confession if he knew he was going to get executed? The death penalty isn't something I have a massive moral issue with (though it's hardly palatable) - it just seems practically a bad idea in general.
  • Tom_Servo 27 Jan 2013 12:53:58 17,390 posts
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    Generally on the left but nearer to the centre on a couple of things. I don't feel any of the three main parties represents anything like my views. No idea who I'll vote for next time.
  • superdelphinus 27 Jan 2013 12:54:20 8,038 posts
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    Anything that would be a disincentive for more babies being had would be an utter disaster in the long term, given the UK's demographic outlook. Don't let the Mail fool you into thinking that there is an actual problem with people having babies just to get more benefits. I think the actual proportion of the welfare bill is tiny too
  • superdelphinus 27 Jan 2013 12:55:23 8,038 posts
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    Majority is disability related benefits, and is an area to look at more closely I think. The number of people with A Bad Back is ridiculous
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 27 Jan 2013 13:03:42 6,654 posts
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    heh. Against death penalty.
  • Syrette 27 Jan 2013 13:05:32 43,232 posts
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    This country is so fucked, got to love it.

  • TarickStonefire 27 Jan 2013 13:05:47 2,978 posts
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    I guess I'm a lefty. But I also think 95% of politicians are lying cunts trying to hang on to their jobs and all the backhanders that come with it, from the corporations that *actually* run the country.

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  • Syrette 27 Jan 2013 13:06:42 43,232 posts
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    TarickStonefire wrote:
    I guess I'm a lefty. But I also think 95% of politicians are lying cunts trying to hang on to their jobs and all the backhanders that come with it, from the corporations that *actually* run the country.
    Don't forget the Illuminati.

  • TarickStonefire 27 Jan 2013 13:07:10 2,978 posts
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    @superdelphinus
    Anything that would be a disincentive for more babies being had would be an utter disaster in the long term, given the UK's demographic outlook.
    The population of this country and the world is exploding and we really don't need to be in any hurry to keep churning the little fuckers out. Daily Mail aside, because they are panic-mongering turds, there is plenty to be said for slowing the rate of population growth waaaay down.

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 27 Jan 2013 13:09:32 6,654 posts
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    TarickStonefire wrote:
    I guess I'm a lefty. But I also think 95% of politicians are lying cunts trying to hang on to their jobs and all the backhanders that come with it, from the corporations that *actually* run the country.
    But surely self interest and survival is a human constant. The point of legislative systems is to accommodate and circumvent human flaws.

    Generally why I disagree with the death penalty tbh.
  • TarickStonefire 27 Jan 2013 13:09:39 2,978 posts
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    @Syrette
    Don't forget the Illuminati.
    I have no idea if the Illuminati is one of those things that is actually real. But if you're trying to discredit the idea that governments around the world including our own make decisions not based on the good of the nation but more based on the benefit to their pockets, their parties coffers and/or the 'longer term sustainability of corporate infrastructure' or whatever, way, way over and above any actual needs of the citizens, I think you're mistaken.

    Edited by TarickStonefire at 13:10:32 27-01-2013

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  • superdelphinus 27 Jan 2013 13:11:13 8,038 posts
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    World population isn't as pressing as an ageing population in the UK. We've even had to resort to providing incentives for clever foreign people here to have/bring kids. We'll end up 70% of the population retired and contributing nothing but piles of knit ware at Christmas
  • superdelphinus 27 Jan 2013 13:11:43 8,038 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    superdelphinus wrote:
    Majority is disability related benefits, and is an area to look at more closely I think. The number of people with A Bad Back is ridiculous
    Whilst I completely support disability benefits, I do think that there are a significant number of people who play-up their apparent ailments. I have a number of friends and family members who fit into this category.
    Quite
  • spamdangled 27 Jan 2013 13:13:08 27,276 posts
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    @Mr_Sleep

    I'd say personally that keeping them alive is a much harsher penalty than killing them. Lifelong incarceration, even under fairly liberal prison systems, is still a life without freedom.

    Plus I think the death penalty is hypocritical in the extreme.

    Was it Ghandi that said the measure of a nation's morals is how they treat their prisoners?

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  • Dante_Cubit 27 Jan 2013 13:13:26 1,908 posts
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    Anarcholibertarian socialist.
  • TarickStonefire 27 Jan 2013 13:14:36 2,978 posts
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    @bitch_tits_zero_nine
    But surely self interest and survival is a human constant. The point of legislative systems is to accommodate and circumvent human flaws.
    The first bit: absolutely, that's why it's weird when people dismiss the suggestion with references to kind of hard-to-believe conspiracy theories.

    The second bit: yes, a lot of stuff gets dealt with by our legal system and the processes society has put in place like that. But big ticket stuff, that's run by corporations.

    Look at what's happening with America and gun control - no matter what you believe about gun control, the fact that there's so little research into it in order to have a decent discussion about it is because gun companies in America do a lot of work to have that research stopped at a governmental level. The NRA is a conglomerate of gun manufacturers somehow getting away with claiming to be a representative body of simple gun-owners. It's crazy and frustrating and it has always been thus and always will be when it comes to big decisions.

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