The referendum on the United Kingdom's membership within the EU Page 9

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  • imamazed 24 Jan 2013 13:52:16 5,622 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    Yeah, once you guys leave we won't be buying any more of your erm ...
    Wtf do you guys export anyway? Tea?
    We import tea...
  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Jan 2013 13:59:18 39,457 posts
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    We export a lot of manufactured goods like Cars and plane wings...also services like the usual financial services and I don't know something called an ARM chip license? I hear it's in a few devices :)

    We export quite a bit it's just parts of other stuff so you don't really notice it.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • disusedgenius 24 Jan 2013 13:59:38 5,333 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    This is true but free trade is not the same as the single market.
    What's the difference, out of interest? Freedom of movement and all that?
  • ModishNouns 24 Jan 2013 14:01:22 4,655 posts
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  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Jan 2013 14:10:26 39,457 posts
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    That graphic nicely hides the total trade to the EU...£84.4billion

    I have no idea why the arrows are those sizes but it's totally misleading.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Jan 2013 14:14:17 39,457 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    This is true but free trade is not the same as the single market.
    What's the difference, out of interest? Freedom of movement and all that?
    That's a very good question.

    Free trade just means that you can import and export goods without tariff barriers (additional taxes)on these.

    Single market is much deeper it means that everyone in the market has to abide by the same rules and regulations and means that all factors of production, goods, services, labour and capital have freedom of movement between borders.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Clive_Dunn 24 Jan 2013 19:36:36 4,780 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    Yeah, once you guys leave we won't be buying any more of your erm ...
    Wtf do you guys export anyway? Tea?
    Dodgy financial services and guns last time I looked.
  • Bremenacht 24 Jan 2013 21:34:54 18,288 posts
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    Randomlampy wrote:
    A roving government? Rather like a Democrabus?
    Perhaps 'Vizzini's Moving Parliament' a'la Studio Ghibli?
  • Bremenacht 24 Jan 2013 22:22:38 18,288 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    That graphic nicely hides the total trade to the EU...£84.4billion

    I have no idea why the arrows are those sizes but it's totally misleading.
    This graphic nicely describes an discussion with vizzini, using a motorway theme:

  • Cripper 24 Jan 2013 23:02:01 30 posts
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    @Bremenacht

    Impact of CFP on Scotland

    Edited by Cripper at 23:03:18 24-01-2013
  • Bremenacht 24 Jan 2013 23:20:09 18,288 posts
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    Cripper wrote:
    @Bremenacht

    Impact of CFP on Scotland
    A long read. I'm inclined to think that's Scottish Nationalist nonsense -claiming ownership of the North Sea- but I'll read it over the weekend anyway - ta.

    The odd thing about the fishing claim is that despite having one of the biggest fishing fleets in Europe running out of Peterhead, it was thieving foreigners who stole all the fish! Ask yourself - if it was the Spanish or the French taking all the fish, what were the Scottish fishing boats doing out on the North Sea? Sunbathing? Scottish fishermen protest too much - it's always someone else to blame for their decline.
  • FWB 24 Jan 2013 23:36:09 44,585 posts
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    British fleets have never moved outside their "territorial waters". Fact.
  • Bremenacht 25 Jan 2013 00:15:35 18,288 posts
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    Some victims of thieving European fishing boats.

    Looking that one up reminded me of one of the most famous incidents of foreign fishing boats entering territorial waters to hoover up fish.
  • FWB 25 Jan 2013 00:18:56 44,585 posts
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    Lies, lies, lies. Never has a Brit overstepped its territory and fondled another state's assets.
  • ray 25 Jan 2013 01:47:52 684 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    That graphic nicely hides the total trade to the EU...£84.4billion

    I have no idea why the arrows are those sizes but it's totally misleading.
    Calling them "totally misleading" is still a bit of an understatement lol… The graphic part is completely divorced from the text below, it's ridiculous.
  • FWB 25 Jan 2013 08:14:51 44,585 posts
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    There's not even a mention of Australia, Japan, India, China and what I assume is Norway in the tex. The arrows are completely random. Looks like a DM graphic.
  • Deleted user 25 January 2013 08:16:54
    Darkmorgado or dailymail?
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 25 Jan 2013 08:46:32 38,259 posts
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    Danger Mouse

    Follow me on Twitter: @MrTom
    Voted by the community "Best mod" 2011, 2012 and 2013.

  • mcmonkeyplc 25 Jan 2013 10:03:09 39,457 posts
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    How dare you use Danger Mouse's name in vain?!

    Penfold will rip you a new one if you're not careful!

    :p

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 10:03:22 25-01-2013

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • ModishNouns 25 Jan 2013 10:24:40 4,655 posts
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    I must admit I didn't check that graphic, I just did a swift Google for UK imports and that seemed to fit the bill. It looks a bit like the opening sequence to Dad's Army.

    Edit: It does tell you what kind of things the UK exports, though, which was the (probably facetious) question.

    Edited by ModishNouns at 10:25:49 25-01-2013
  • mcmonkeyplc 25 Jan 2013 10:36:34 39,457 posts
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    Anglo German tabloid love in
    O_o

    I was not expecting that!

    Maybe...there is hope?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Jan 2013 12:03:55 39,457 posts
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    I just noticed something reading this article on Scottish independence and the EU.

    They suggest that the UK government would support this process, not least because the Edinburgh Agreement, which set out the framework for the referendum, commits both parties to respect the outcome and work together in the best interests of the people of both Scotland and the rest of the UK.

    It would clearly be in everyone's interests, they argue, for everyone to remain inside the EU
    So what happens if during the process of negotiating independence (2014 - 2016) the UK decides to vote out of the EU in 2015.

    Also what happens to Scottish votes in the UK 2015 elections if they vote to become independent next year?

    That dick head really doesn't know what he's doing. (Salmond and Cameron)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • DaM 30 Jan 2013 13:12:04 13,228 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    I just noticed something reading this article on Scottish independence and the EU.

    They suggest that the UK government would support this process, not least because the Edinburgh Agreement, which set out the framework for the referendum, commits both parties to respect the outcome and work together in the best interests of the people of both Scotland and the rest of the UK.

    It would clearly be in everyone's interests, they argue, for everyone to remain inside the EU
    So what happens if during the process of negotiating independence (2014 - 2016) the UK decides to vote out of the EU in 2015.

    Also what happens to Scottish votes in the UK 2015 elections if they vote to become independent next year?

    That dick head really doesn't know what he's doing. (Salmond and Cameron)
    Precisely, it's added a whole other level of complete unknowns on us. No one has an answer for these (they've not really been asked). Would we get to vote in the EU one? We're still UK citizens at this point. I'm presuming we would get to vote in the UK general election, but on Independence Day our MPs would leave Westminster (we'd have to get the border defences up quick to stop the bastards getting back in). What if our MPs gave a party a majority (Labour clearly :) )? What would happen to the sitting Government?

    The most recent survey put support for Scottish independence at below 25%, the lowest in 10 years - this was following the exposure of the SNP's assurances about getting into the EU. But I'm not sure what effect the UK EU referendum will have. Surveys show the Scots to be slightly more pro-EU than the UK average, but it's as big a difference as I would have thought.
  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Jan 2013 13:20:34 39,457 posts
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    Best thing to do is vote no for independence and no to David Cameron.

    :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Jan 2013 13:26:58 39,457 posts
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    Ah wait, I just realised that the referendum on the EU won't be until 2017.

    Fucker.

    Still the question on the UK election is still valid.

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 13:27:33 30-01-2013

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • DaM 30 Jan 2013 13:28:31 13,228 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Best thing to do is vote no for independence and no to David Cameron.

    :)
    Well that is my plan, but the problem is, the EU vote is out of our hands - it's precisely what drives the Nationalists! I think Scotland would vote to stay in the EU, but the No vote could be swung by southern Eurosceptics and Daily Mail readers.
  • DaM 30 Jan 2013 13:29:40 13,228 posts
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    If a UK gov was going to lose its majority on the pullout of Scottish MPs, it would just drag on the negotiations as long as it could, so you never know.

    Edited by DaM at 13:30:26 30-01-2013
  • LeoliansBro 30 Jan 2013 13:38:40 44,262 posts
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    I think Scotland imagine that if they leave the UK they'll be another Luxembourg.

    Whereas in fact they'll be another Latvia.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Jan 2013 13:44:05 39,457 posts
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    I'm hoping common sense will prevail in the South.

    Hope springs eternal etc...

    However hope for the labour party depends on the retard known as Edward Miliband pulling his head out of his arse. Not so much hope there :(

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • DaM 30 Jan 2013 13:52:18 13,228 posts
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    Scotland would be like any other small country (with a bit of oil). And apparently the most green energy resources in Europe, which I think means it is very windy and has a lot of coast.

    I don't think any one is claiming Scotland would be a world power LB, or economic powerhouse, the Nationalists just think we'd be better off standing on our own feet, for better or worse. The Westminster Gov have acknowledged that Scotland would be economically viable, that's never been an argument against it.

    Edited by DaM at 13:52:47 30-01-2013
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