Well here we go, tomorrow David Cameron announces a referendum on the Eu.
Let the battle commence, let's get it ON!
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Let the battle commence, let's get it ON!
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The referendum on the United Kingdom's membership within the EU
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LetsGo 4,558 posts
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neilka 12,031 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI do enjoy a bit of the old in-out voteif you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away
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LeD 5,531 posts
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Registered 7 years agoHopefully your lot get out, so the rest of us can get on! -
MetalDog 23,448 posts
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Registered 11 years agoHe'll promise it and then not deliver it, surely?
Haha - I was about to say 'he'll say they'll give it after the next election if they get in' and I took a look at the link and what a surprise:
The pledge to hold a referendum if the Conservatives win the next election...
Yeah - there's not going to be one, it's a lie. They don't want us deciding things like that one way or the other.-- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoMetalDog wrote:
Good we'll probably get it wrong. What kind of information are we acting on?
They don't want us deciding things like that one way or the other.Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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LeD 5,531 posts
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Registered 7 years agoChopsen wrote:
That the French are smelly poofs. Surely that should be enough.MetalDog wrote:
Good we'll probably get it wrong. What kind of information are we acting on?
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neilka 12,031 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI hope rauper has bought the ukgamer.net domain.if you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away
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MetalDog 23,448 posts
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Registered 11 years agoWell, they could provide informed debate on the matter instead of baa-ing at each other like schoolchildren in the HoC, but they're not going to do that either.
If you want to be informed, you have to inform yourself - neither government nor media can really be trusted to break issues down for us.-- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.
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cubbymoore 35,467 posts
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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Registered 3 years ago“The pledge to hold a referendum if the Conservatives win the next election will be made in Mr Cameron’s long-awaited speech on Europe, which is finally due to be delivered this morning.”
Is this his idea of offering people democracy? Hold people to ransom, just to get re-elected. Blair already did this, and then still didn't follow through.
It should be mandatory, that every 8years (half way through a parliament term) an automatic referendum is triggered. The EU take so much money from EU countries, and such far reaching powers, yet are so far removed from the voting public. 40years without a vote, it is amazing that our ruling overlords, every get mentioned in the same sentence as the word democracy.
What is really weird, is that I don't know anyone that voted yes in the vote of 40years ago, and I've asked quite a few people of different political views how they voted. If we vote No, will it be recorded as No. -
mowgli 31,895 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThe British public voting on anything to do with the EU just fills me with dread.Pissy pants.
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoMetalDog wrote:
There lies the problem. People can't be bothered/don't have time/have better things to be doing than informing themselves enough to make rational informed decisions about things. Yet there's an expectation for people to make decisions regardless.
If you want to be informed, you have to inform yourselfThanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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neilka 12,031 posts
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Registered 8 years agovizzini wrote:
Yes, yes it will.
If we vote No, will it be recorded as No.if you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agovizzini wrote:
At a guess, the fact that you have anti-European views means that you probably come from a background which is anti-European. Most people aren't radically different politically from their parents (thought they think they are from the ages of 14-25). You're drawing from a non-random sample.
What is really weird, is that I don't know anyone that voted yes in the vote of 40years ago, and I've asked quite a few people of different political views how they voted. If we vote No, will it be recorded as No.Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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Who said I'm anti-European. I'm certainly anti-dictatorship. If I don't get a vote, how can I be for or against anything? -
Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoThe fact you want a referendum evry 8 years. Hardly something you'll be calling for if you were quite happy with the status quo.Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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So if I'm happy with the ruling local MP, MP or MEP, I don't need a vote on it regularly?
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoYes you already do get to vote for your MEP. What is your point?
Edited by Chopsen at 00:40:56 23-01-2013Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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Registered 3 years agoThat isn't the same thing, that is political slight of hand. You know just as well as I do, the EU need a proper mandate from every EU nation on a regular basis, just like any other political system.
In a general election, one party could stand to overhaul the political system when it is broken. But there is no equivalent for the EU, unless we get automatic referendums on a bi-general election basis. -
Bremenacht 11,232 posts
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Registered 6 years agomowgli wrote:
You might be surprised, but then I suppose it depends how successful the usual newsmedia are at scaring up the the result they want.
The British public voting on anything to do with the EU just fills me with dread.
The UK is fucked if it votes itself out of Europe. By hook or by crook, the UK will find it's goods and services harder to sell to Europe. Who will it sell it's services to then? UK sales to the likes of Germany have been at their highest for years, and we'll do away with that to appease little englanders.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSo if there was an referendum now, how would you vote?Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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Registered 3 years agoBremenacht wrote:
Even when we don't like the decision, democracy has to mean democracy. You might look down on some hypothetical, poorly educated person, voting against EU membership, but all that does is paint you into the position of being the pig in animal farm. Equality and democracy are tightly intertwind.mowgli wrote:
You might be surprised, but then I suppose it depends how successful the usual newsmedia are at scaring up the the result they want.
The British public voting on anything to do with the EU just fills me with dread.
The UK is fucked if it votes itself out of Europe. By hook or by crook, the UK will find it's goods and services harder to sell to Europe. Who will it sell it's services to then? UK sales to the likes of Germany have been at their highest for years, and we'll do away with that to appease little englanders.
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I'm not sure, I'd have to look at the books, and put my chaos theory hat on.gif)
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Chopsen 13,727 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSo you want a regular referendum on something you aren't interested in enough to have an opinion on?Thanks for expressing interest in my signature!
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LetsGo 4,558 posts
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Registered 8 years agoBremenacht wrote:
And it's started already...
You might be surprised, but then I suppose it depends how successful the usual newsmedia are at scaring up the the result they want.
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vizzini 1,012 posts
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Registered 3 years agoChopsen wrote:
The fact we import, more than export, and have road repair bills from non-green supermarket use of EU roads, and rising petrol costs because of it, I'd probably lean more towards opting out for a term, at this exact moment. I'd do more research before voting.
So you want a regular referendum on something you aren't interested in enough to have an opinion on?
The way the world is, it might be more beneficial for capitalist prospectors to lose some loan money, and the Plasticine EU countries to go back in their separate coloured boxes to get the unique colours back that made them individually prosperous and special. Then try again. -
Bremenacht 11,232 posts
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Registered 6 years agoChopsen wrote:
To stay in.
So if there was an referendum now, how would you vote?This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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Moot_Point 1,071 posts
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Registered 8 months agoMetalDog wrote:
I doubt we'll get a say at all. The CONservatives have always promised something they cannot deliver, and this time its the referendum. The only party that would give us our say (without a hidden agenda) is UKIP.
He'll promise it and then not deliver it, surely?
Haha - I was about to say 'he'll say they'll give it after the next election if they get in' and I took a look at the link and what a surprise:
The pledge to hold a referendum if the Conservatives win the next election...
Yeah - there's not going to be one, it's a lie. They don't want us deciding things like that one way or the other.mowgli wrote: I fucking love willies.
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Bremenacht 11,232 posts
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Registered 6 years agovizzini wrote:
No, it doesn't. And paint all you want.
You might look down on some hypothetical, poorly educated person, voting against EU membership, but all that does is paint you into the position of being the pig in animal farm.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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mal 20,521 posts
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Registered 11 years agovizzini wrote:
Didn't seem to stop the Lib/Con coalition choosing to govern the country when no one gave either of them a mandate to rule. But hey, I'm just bitter.
That isn't the same thing, that is political slight of hand. You know just as well as I do, the EU need a proper mandate from every EU nation on a regular basis, just like any other political system.
So, what happened to the idea of a two speed europe? Seems like a jolly good idea if we could join together with the other less-integrationist countries without throwing out the EU baby with the bathwater. Although now I've written that, I must admit, an alliance of anti-integrationists does seem a somewhat perverse idea, but you know what I mean.Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!
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I remember the last referendum on whether we should join the Common Market on the 09/06/1975 1 day before my 18th birthday. The Tory tabloids were telling the morons to vote “Yes” while the Labour run rags were saying “No” to Europe. The broadsheet newspapers gave details of how the British workforce needed to be reduced by 1/3 to be in line with other European communities.
The Sun Newspaper sold Europe to the UK general public with the promise of cheap plonk.NNID Sid-Nice
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