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  • Deleted user 25 February 2013 11:43:15
    HarryPalmer wrote:
    Caught up with the final 2 episodes last night.

    Really enjoyed the first episode but feel it went gradually downhill, with the exception of the school incident - which was brutal.

    It looks great, but the acting was fairly crap, Neil Maskell was far and away the best thing in it. And by the end it was too pre-occupied with having a twist every 5 minutes to have a satisfying ending.
    I tend to agree. It definitely lost it towards the end and I can remember actually being a bit bored with how the final act was playing out. I still don't know if I completely understand what the hell it was about to be honest. I heard another series is a possibility...
  • Waffleaber 25 Feb 2013 11:52:10 464 posts
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    I forgot ths thread was here. Anyway I agree.

    The whole last half hour seemed more interested in setting up a sequel it might never get than giving a satisfying conclusion which is a shame given what came before.
  • Scimarad 25 Feb 2013 11:55:12 8,638 posts
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    I think the thing I'll remember about this the most is that I liked the music...
  • Gambit1977 25 Feb 2013 11:56:31 10,384 posts
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    It was the cinematography and over saturated colours for me. Beautiful.

    Shame the characters were ALL absolutely hateful.
  • Mr_Sleep 25 Feb 2013 12:14:53 17,387 posts
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    They were all pretty hateful, I think that worked quite well. I called the unsatisfying conclusion but saying that, I kind of liked the open ending. It didn't really leave me unsatisfied and I didn't have a huge problem with the final episode.

    It was a lovely production in places though, the cinematography was the highlight for me.

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  • HarryPalmer 25 Feb 2013 12:33:35 3,585 posts
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    The music was excellent yeah.

    I think a big problem was the episodes were just too long. There wasn't enough substance or character development there across the 7 odd hours.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:17:53 3,451 posts
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    I loved it. The episodes were exactly the right length, the pacing was perfect, the photography was superb, the music was just right, the story (while nothing new, conspiracy-wise) was very engaging...

    I cannot fault it. I'm sure people here have whined and moaned about almost all the above, but everyone's different.

    Best UK drama I've seen in years.

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  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:20:39 3,451 posts
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    Gambit1977 wrote:
    It was the cinematography and over saturated colours for me. Beautiful.

    Shame the characters were ALL absolutely hateful.
    Were they? I didn't get that at all. I thought they were all motivated by their own personal issues, and I thought that came across well.

    Thing is, there's a lot of selfish people in the world (yes, even you - we are all selfish in our own way) and there's no such thing as a universally loved human being. Everyone, everywhere, no matter how lovely they appear to be, has something who absolutely fucking hates them and doesn't get why so many other people love them.

    Getting that across when writing characters is pretty hard, but I think almost every principle character got a chance to show why they are the way they are.

    Edited by TarickStonefire at 13:22:23 25-02-2013

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  • Gambit1977 25 Feb 2013 13:25:26 10,384 posts
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    Like you said earlier, everyone's different. I just found the longer I watched it, the more I couldn't care less if they got popped.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:31:14 3,451 posts
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    Gambit1977 wrote:
    Like you said earlier, everyone's different. I just found the longer I watched it, the more I couldn't care less if they got popped.
    Well when you put it like that, I realise that actually neither did I, all that much. But I have this feeling that was actually the point. It dawned on me that it wasn't so much about what happened to the characters, so much as what they chose to do about what they learned was really going on.

    I'd not been putting too much thought into it so it hadn't completely hit me what the conspiracy was about until it was spelled out (although it's obvious to me now, but I was enjoying the experience too much to try and work it out in advance), but once it was I found my allegiances completely changed. I stopped being that 'scared' for the safety of any of them, because the real story was about the fate of the planet and the human race, not the fate of the characters.

    One could definitely put that down to poorly-written or at the very least unsympathetic characters; I put it down to very clever design ;)

    Edited by TarickStonefire at 13:32:27 25-02-2013

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  • Psychotext 25 Feb 2013 13:31:45 55,048 posts
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    End was very flat, shame. That said, I still enjoyed it overall. Very different to anything else on TV.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:36:19 3,451 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    End was very flat, shame. That said, I still enjoyed it overall. Very different to anything else on TV.
    Why did you find it flat?

    I liked the ending because there wasn't really a terribly convenient melodramatic siege, or anything 'final act'-ish. They all followed through on their own beliefs, and in the end the conspiracy got the Janus stuff (or at least seems to have done so...), which is the ending I was rooting for once I found out what was going on.

    I particularly like that the boy killing 'L' was played down the way it was - he didn't even know who he'd killed, and when Jessica Hyde, who had been gunning for him the entire series, found out she was just "... Oh, okay. Nice one" and got on with escaping.

    Edited by TarickStonefire at 13:39:09 25-02-2013

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  • Psychotext 25 Feb 2013 13:40:16 55,048 posts
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    Because it just seemed like they were randomly tying up the loose ends with no significant coherency.

    Wasn't really about the drama, just felt like a bunch of disconnected scenes.
  • Scimarad 25 Feb 2013 13:44:12 8,638 posts
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    I was expecting it to be a lot more strange and surreal than it turned out to be, TBH.

    Also, although it was a suitably big thing to have a conspiracy about, by the end I wasn't sure exactly who the people pulling the strings actually were and and how big their organisation was. At the beginning there was a sense that everyone else was potentially and probably an enemy but that had pretty much evaporated by the end.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:50:01 3,451 posts
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    Scimarad wrote:At the beginning there was a sense that everyone else was potentially and probably an enemy but that had pretty much evaporated by the end.
    I liked that. I'd not seen that before. I can't remember ever having my assumptions and loyalty turned completely on it's head so near the end of a long drama like this.

    What would you have done if you were Wilson Wilson? Sent the email to the press? Or taken the conspirators side?

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  • Psychotext 25 Feb 2013 13:52:33 55,048 posts
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    As is often the case in these things the conspirators were doing the right thing, but in completely the wrong way.

    /may have just marked himself out as a psychopath
  • Gambit1977 25 Feb 2013 13:53:39 10,384 posts
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    If I were Wilson Wilson, and I'd felt that strongly, I'd have left, rather than try to scupper their plans.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:54:15 3,451 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    As is often the case in these things the conspirators were doing the right thing, but in completely the wrong way.

    /may have just marked himself out as a psychopath
    Ah, you say "wrong" but maybe our societal ethics are just not capable of dealing with a problem of this magnitude, leading inexorably towards this sort of secret solution...

    Tricky stuff...

    What's the *right* way to urgently slash the human race's birth rate?

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  • Gambit1977 25 Feb 2013 13:54:23 10,384 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    As is often the case in these things the conspirators were doing the right thing, but in completely the wrong way.

    /may have just marked himself out as a psychopath
    This is spot on to me. I actually did think it was the right thing, but taking away 'free will' and killing all and sundry wasn't exactly a great way to go about it.
  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:55:59 3,451 posts
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    Gambit1977 wrote:
    If I were Wilson Wilson, and I'd felt that strongly, I'd have left, rather than try to scupper their plans.
    Scupper whose plans, the 'good guys'? If he didn't try to scupper them and they succeeded in bringing down the conspiracy, I'd say it's arguable he can't have felt that strongly after all, and like you say he did feel pretty strongly about it.

    Plus of course there's a need to drive a story along... ;)

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  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 13:57:44 3,451 posts
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    Gambit1977 wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    As is often the case in these things the conspirators were doing the right thing, but in completely the wrong way.

    /may have just marked himself out as a psychopath
    This is spot on to me. I actually did think it was the right thing, but taking away 'free will' and killing all and sundry wasn't exactly a great way to go about it.
    I also thought their goal was probably the best thing for the human race and the planet, but I really couldn't decide what I felt about the method. At least people weren't being murdered - they just couldn't have kids. And it was only some of them.

    Me, I think I'd have erred towards a larger percentage being immune.

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  • Mr_Sleep 25 Feb 2013 14:02:11 17,387 posts
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    I did find the major purpose of the conspiracy to be quite an interesting moral question. I kind of side with Wilson Wilson's feelings about it, despite being a socialist at heart. If nothing else you have to say the show did bring up some interesting and weighty questions, not something one expects that much from telly in the UK.

    Oh and I was a bit premature to agree with the word hateful, hateful isn't quite what they were, more that every character became less and less one that should be rooted for. What happened to Arbe was pretty a good example of this, he's a murderous psychopath but in the end one felt a certain sadness and even rooted for him a bit. Not something one would expect considering he murdered a bunch of school children!

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  • TarickStonefire 25 Feb 2013 14:05:34 3,451 posts
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    @Mr_Sleep I love that they were able to make, for most people who stuck with the show probably, a child murderer into an almost sympathetic character. Didn't hurt that the performance sat perfectly in the middle of the whole craziness.

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  • localnotail 25 Feb 2013 14:06:50 23,093 posts
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    Scimarad wrote:
    I was expecting it to be a lot more strange and surreal than it turned out to be, TBH.

    Also, although it was a suitably big thing to have a conspiracy about, by the end I wasn't sure exactly who the people pulling the strings actually were and and how big their organisation was. At the beginning there was a sense that everyone else was potentially and probably an enemy but that had pretty much evaporated by the end.
    I guess, once they had Jessica, the organisation stopped worrying about the others. Plus a large chunk of their command structure had been disrupted.

    I really liked it. All of it. I liked that the central characters were not heroes, or even capable, much of the time. I didn't hate any of them. They were who they would have been, under the circumstances, stumbling around, trapped in a web they didn't even know existed. Whenever they thought they were safe they were just being left alone because they were more use on the loose.

    I thought the dialogue was good, and funny, the concept interesting and challenging, the actors suited the parts very well and there was some core quality in the supporting roles from Maskell, Fox, Rea and James. Maskell in particular was bloody great.
    It looked beautiful, sounded great, deftly directed with some lovely bits of cinematography that are rarely given to us in TV.

    Would be interested in a second series if they have as good ideas to continue with), and also in watching it again to check to see if I missed more clues.

    Edited by localnotail at 14:09:46 25-02-2013

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  • Scimarad 26 Feb 2013 09:26:11 8,638 posts
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    I am glad I watched it, when you get right down to it. And I did think that the plan with the virus made a certain amount of sense, considering the alternative. It wasn't a nice solution but it was A solution...and it's not like the 'good guys' had a decent answer.
  • Gambit1977 26 Feb 2013 09:46:18 10,384 posts
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    They shouldn't have killed off the best character in the first episode :-( the chris Isaak wannabe[\spoiler]
  • glaeken 26 Feb 2013 10:13:56 11,266 posts
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    I enjoyed it overall. The actual plan was quite thought provoking and actually pretty humane. It was nice that the plan was something you could think might be a good idea. Wilson's realisation he might be against something that was right was actually pretty good I thought.

    Plus Jessica had a great arse.
  • wuntyphyve 6 Aug 2014 23:32:03 1,586 posts
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    Has anyone else been watching the second series of this? Totally passed me by and I'm now playing catch up on 4od.

    Watched first two episodes and loving it so far. The prequel episode was brilliant.
  • consoledelight 6 Aug 2014 23:49:52 168 posts
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    Loving the second series.

    I had forgotten all about it after the first finished. Glad its back.

    THings are starting to escalate, i for one hope they release the vaccine.
    That would be fun
  • mal 7 Aug 2014 02:44:19 22,842 posts
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    Yeah, second series has been a lot more consistent than the first so far, though I'm still expecting a disappointing conclusion, so withholding judgement as far as that goes. Tempted to rewatch the first series ending though to see if anything's changed.

    Still a bit confused about Janus though. Is that the flu or the vaccine? I thought the flu was just spanish flu again, but janus interacts with the vaccine, so ain't the vaccine either?

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