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  • Psychotext 11 Jan 2013 15:50:57 54,186 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    So now that 200 pounds can go on things like ballet and swimming for the girls.
    Swimming for girls... tell me more.

    Do you use a net?
  • Youthist 11 Jan 2013 15:51:45 10,018 posts
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    Come back to us when you are 76 and let us know how that is working out plz.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • Youthist 11 Jan 2013 15:52:47 10,018 posts
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    Actually don't bother.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • brokenkey 11 Jan 2013 15:53:22 7,028 posts
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    The state funded pensions work in exactly the same way - today's pensioners are being paid from the taxes collected from today's workers. But I may have misunderstood you, what would you see governments do to fund pensions if everyone stopped having kids tomorrow?

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  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 15:55:23 15,967 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    also, are you really talking about so few kids being born that we can't even run essential services? What the hell is this, Children of Men?
    Yeah, I don't really see why everybody (esp morriss) leapt from a fall in rate of increase in population growth to OH MY GOD ALL THE CHILDREN ARE DEAD
  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 15:56:04 15,967 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    The state funded pensions work in exactly the same way - today's pensioners are being paid from the taxes collected from today's workers. But I may have misunderstood you, what would you see governments do to fund pensions if everyone stopped having kids tomorrow?
    Nobody is arguing about this though.
  • Deleted user 11 January 2013 15:56:42
    Chopsen wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    also, are you really talking about so few kids being born that we can't even run essential services? What the hell is this, Children of Men?
    Yeah, I don't really see why everybody (esp morriss) leapt from a fall in rate of increase in population growth to OH MY GOD ALL THE CHILDREN ARE DEAD
    Because morriss is going to kill them all.

    Edited by Aargh. at 15:57:15 11-01-2013
  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 15:57:13 15,967 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    I mean I dont care about the old me after 75.
    You might well do so when you're 76.
  • brokenkey 11 Jan 2013 15:58:41 7,028 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    ...and again, I'm talking about governments, not individuals.

    Also, are you really talking about so few kids being born that we can't even run essential services? What the hell is this, Children of Men?

    I'm referring to similar situations to that of Japan, only maybe worse.
    It doesn't have to be zero birth rate, you bump into the lack of funding problem at 1child per couple or even 2 children per couple. We'd get there a lot sooner if we weren't supplementing the workforce through immigration.

    Why? Well look at Local's community - the grandmother and mother will both be retired and looking to the child to generate the wealth that supports them. If that child goes into local government or civil service or nursing, then economically their as good as dead - in 2010 6million worked in jobs funded by the tax payer, that's more than 50% of the economy.

    Edited by brokenkey at 16:10:01 11-01-2013

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  • Psychotext 11 Jan 2013 16:00:30 54,186 posts
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    You're completely missing the point.

    Governments have the power to save that tax income for when they need it. They don't, and they probably never will... but they could. They're exactly the sort of institution that should be taking an ultra long term view, though it doesn't fit with our standard broken politics.

    Edited by Psychotext at 16:02:15 11-01-2013
  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 16:01:43 15,967 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    It doesn't have to be zero birth rate, you bump into the lack of funding problem at 1child per couple or even 2 children per couple.
    Nope.
  • brokenkey 11 Jan 2013 16:02:26 7,028 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Yes, but you're completely missing the point.

    Governments have the power to save that tax income for when they need it. They don't, and they probably never will... but they could.
    No western economy has that power.

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  • brokenkey 11 Jan 2013 16:04:17 7,028 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    brokenkey wrote:
    It doesn't have to be zero birth rate, you bump into the lack of funding problem at 1child per couple or even 2 children per couple.
    Nope.
    Can you expand on that view?

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  • Psychotext 11 Jan 2013 16:04:34 54,186 posts
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    Then as I said, it's the ultimate pyramid scheme, and eventually everyone is fucked.
  • Deleted user 11 January 2013 16:04:49
    Chopsen wrote:
    Pepsipop wrote:
    I mean I dont care about the old me after 75.
    You might well do so when you're 76.
    But I would also guess I may never see that age, meanwhile I get to have more fun for the the next forty years.
  • SClaw 11 Jan 2013 16:12:15 826 posts
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    Has anyone suggested a Logan's Run solution yet? I mean, I'd be for the chop but there's nothing good on TV these days anyway so I'm not fussed about it.
  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 16:13:39 15,967 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    Chopsen wrote:
    brokenkey wrote:
    It doesn't have to be zero birth rate, you bump into the lack of funding problem at 1child per couple or even 2 children per couple.
    Nope.
    Can you expand on that view?
    Noooooooope.
  • Chopsen 11 Jan 2013 16:29:04 15,967 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    Chopsen wrote:
    Pepsipop wrote:
    I mean I dont care about the old me after 75.
    You might well do so when you're 76.
    But I would also guess I may never see that age, meanwhile I get to have more fun for the the next forty years.
    Again, you'd feel different about that when you're older. Or do you have an age in mind that you've already paid an assissin to off you or something?

    People don't choose to get old. It's not a lifestyle choice. The 75 year olds walking around now were once like you. It sneaks up on you.
  • Deleted user 11 January 2013 16:31:43
    I agree but I have a choice, struggle now and maybe be okay in forty years or have a little money to give my kids whilst they grow.
  • morriss 11 Jan 2013 17:01:06 70,976 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    also, are you really talking about so few kids being born that we can't even run essential services? What the hell is this, Children of Men?
    Yeah, I don't really see why everybody (esp morriss) leapt from a fall in rate of increase in population growth to OH MY GOD ALL THE CHILDREN ARE DEAD
    He didn't.
  • Jeepers 11 Jan 2013 17:53:15 13,181 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    Chopsen wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    also, are you really talking about so few kids being born that we can't even run essential services? What the hell is this, Children of Men?
    Yeah, I don't really see why everybody (esp morriss) leapt from a fall in rate of increase in population growth to OH MY GOD ALL THE CHILDREN ARE DEAD
    He didn't.
    He did so!
  • Bremenacht 11 Jan 2013 18:14:24 18,242 posts
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    Where did 75 come from? Is that the new retirement age?
  • Deleted user 11 January 2013 18:23:16
    It will be when I get there.
  • Goban 11 Jan 2013 19:35:43 9,054 posts
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    I generally like most kids, mine are a bloody pain ;)
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