Deckard1 wrote:I would deploy at a bank managers conference, parliament and T4 at the beach.Steve_Perry wrote:I think it's definitely something that should be looked in to. If there was a way to make a harmless gas bomb that would sterilise people, and then set them off at predetermined areas where the lowest forms of life are known to congregate. Like an apple store. Or a Liverpool home game.
I honestly think some people should be sterilised. Fearn Cotton should not be allowed to clone herself.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Registered 7 years agoelstoof wrote:
Well played. Although 'I'm having kids because I know a Ponzi scheme when I see one and want to be doing my bit' is perhaps a little left field.LeoliansBro wrote:
They'll all be paying for the pensions in 30 ears time though.elstoof wrote:
Move to Denmark, everyone has to pay for them over there whether they have kids or want kids or don't want kids or whatever.
There aren't any free nurseries taking on 3 month olds for 10 hours a day round my way.LB, you really are a massive geek.
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Registered 8 years agoDeckard1 wrote:
AFAIK, she's just gone on maternity leave. Another Fearn will be with us soon.Steve_Perry wrote:
I think it's definitely something that should be looked in to. If there was a way to make a harmless gas bomb that would sterilise people, and then set them off at predetermined areas where the lowest forms of life are known to congregate. Like an apple store. Or a Liverpool home game.
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Registered 8 years agoLeoliansBro wrote:
I've just enrolled mine at the Maddof School for Gifted Children.elstoof wrote:
Well played. Although 'I'm having kids because I know a Ponzi scheme when I see one and want to be doing my bit' is perhaps a little left field.LeoliansBro wrote:
They'll all be paying for the pensions in 30 ears time though.elstoof wrote:
Move to Denmark, everyone has to pay for them over there whether they have kids or want kids or don't want kids or whatever.
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Registered 11 months agosport wrote:
/darthvadernooooo.gifDeckard1 wrote:
AFAIK, she's just gone on maternity leave. Another Fearn will be with us soon.Steve_Perry wrote:
I think it's definitely something that should be looked in to. If there was a way to make a harmless gas bomb that would sterilise people, and then set them off at predetermined areas where the lowest forms of life are known to congregate. Like an apple store. Or a Liverpool home game.
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morriss 69,617 posts
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Registered 9 years agoGardening is man's work.
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Registered 9 years agoLeoliansBro wrote:
/biteselstoof wrote:
Move to Denmark, everyone has to pay for them over there whether they have kids or want kids or don't want kids or whatever.
There aren't any free nurseries taking on 3 month olds for 10 hours a day round my way.
In Denmark people pay so that they have a well-functioning society with as well-adjusted-as-possible children, who are then more likely to contribute to society positively themselves, thus for the benefit of everyone.
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Registered 7 years agoIt is, given that even with all those best intentions Denmark is still a shithole.
This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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Registered 11 years agomorriss wrote:
It may be in countries like Denmark with its Permafrost, but in the UK we have Charlie Dimmock, bra-less gardener
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Registered 10 years agoI personally find it odd that we don't have a similar system to Denmark. We have publicly funded education for children from age four upwards, so why not have it before then? Is the expectation really that parents will look after their children for the first four years of their lives? -
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I cut things. Lawns, hedges, corners. She is responsible for planting, tending and gathering.
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Registered 9 years agoI'll just leave this here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/17/want-to-get-ahead-move-to-denmark
However, the reality is that America is more class-bound than other advanced nations. If you really want to achieve the American Dream, move to Denmark. A child born into the bottom fifth on the income scale in Denmark will almost certainly better his economic situation: only one quarter of those at the economic thin end stay there. The same is true of other Scandinavian countries.
Damn those taxes!!!!1111111
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morriss 69,617 posts
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Registered 9 years agoModishNouns wrote:
We're quite conservative in our chores. She does washing, cleaning. I do everything outside and inside that isn't covered by the above.morriss wrote:
I cut things. Lawns, hedges, corners. She is responsible for planting, tending and gathering.
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Registered 7 years agokalel wrote:
It's the difference between public funding of a child's wellbeing and public funding of a child's education. Although there's a strong argument in favour of what you're saying once you buy into the idea that social contact is a vital part of upbringing.
I personally find it odd that we don't have a similar system to Denmark. We have publicly funded education for children from age four upwards, so why not have it before then? Is the expectation really that parents will look after their children for the first four years of their lives?LB, you really are a massive geek.
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Registered 8 years agokalel wrote:
Stop working, rely on grandparents to provide care or pay a small fortune, it's amazing the options available to new parents.
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Registered 3 years agoLeoliansBro wrote:
There are claimable benefits, I think, to cover pre-school childcare but nothing as comprehensive as that.kalel wrote:
It's the difference between public funding of a child's wellbeing and public funding of a child's education. Although there's a strong argument in favour of what you're saying once you buy into the idea that social contact is a vital part of upbringing.
I personally find it odd that we don't have a similar system to Denmark. We have publicly funded education for children from age four upwards, so why not have it before then? Is the expectation really that parents will look after their children for the first four years of their lives?
Edit: IIRC (Mrs manages a nursery) nurseries can apply for funding to provide free places, too. Also, some way short of the Danish system.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Leaving aside how stunned I am at the tautological revelation that people can better themselves if they start at the bottom, and just how bored I am with the Guardian banging its socialist drum, this is true. But the UK is not the US.However, the reality is that America is more class-bound than other advanced nations. If you really want to achieve the American Dream, move to Denmark. A child born into the bottom fifth on the income scale in Denmark will almost certainly better his economic situation: only one quarter of those at the economic thin end stay there. The same is true of other Scandinavian countries.
Damn those taxes!!!!1111111LB, you really are a massive geek.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Registered 7 years agoAnd Rick Santorum is gardly the US either, he's a bit too Oswald Moseley even for the Republicans.
I'd have used a famous Danish figure in that analogy but I could only think of Niels Bohring.LB, you really are a massive geek.
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morriss 69,617 posts
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Registered 9 years agoIt's classic conservatism. The family is first and foremost responsible for itself. Only those who do not have the means get help. Think of your money like it's your parents', you grandparents, and their money is yours. If you can't or don't want to pool your resources then it's your problem.
Hence the birth of getting rid of grants and making help while you study dependent on your parents' income.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Registered 7 years agomorriss wrote:
The Danish family is up to 62% responsible for every other family though.
It's classic conservatism. The family is first and foremost responsible for itself. Only those who do not have the means get help. Think of your money like it's your parents', you grandparents, and their money is yours. If you can't or don't want to pool your resources then it's your problem.
Hence the birth of getting rid of grants and making help while you study dependent on your parents' income.
Very conservative.LB, you really are a massive geek.
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brokenkey 6,384 posts
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Registered 11 years agoLeoliansBro wrote:
Rich people tend to require the input of poor people at some level to generate their wealth, so its all fair.morriss wrote:
The Danish family is up to 62% responsible for every other family though.
It's classic conservatism. The family is first and foremost responsible for itself. Only those who do not have the means get help. Think of your money like it's your parents', you grandparents, and their money is yours. If you can't or don't want to pool your resources then it's your problem.
Hence the birth of getting rid of grants and making help while you study dependent on your parents' income.
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morriss 69,617 posts
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Registered 9 years agoIt really isn't as black and white as you make out. Only a certain amount of your wages are taxed that highly, and that's only if you earn more than around 50k a year. Also, in Denmark, a percentage of all interest on loans is tax deductible, so the more you earn and thus buy/borrow, the better off you are in terms of how much tax you pay.
You don't say, earn 100k and take home 38k as your post suggests.
The whole concept of the society is that the broadest shoulders bare the largest burden. That has its flaws and its advantages. And having lived here, I'd say the I'm much better off both luxury-goods financially and -socially.
You make it out like it's Russia or something with people queueing for TVs.
Denmark has fared relatively well during the financial crisis. It's a rich country with a relatively very high standard of living. The tax system facilitates this. It's not the hindrance that you continually make it out to be.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Registered 7 years agoYeah, but Batman wouldn't work in Denmark, he'd have to mortgage this batcave for other people's childcare.
And Denmark's moderate handling of the financial crisis us more around high taxes making it unattractive as a financial centre than being some kind of socialist Eden protected from the wider world. Where else can you buy a 'van' version of an Audi TT because of the ludicrous duty on passenger vehicles?LB, you really are a massive geek.
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LeoliansBro 35,926 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThe broadest shoulders bear the largest burden in the UK as well btw.LB, you really are a massive geek.
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Registered 9 years agoBut not enough..gif)
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Anyway, I could beat in a social-political debate all day long but this isn't the thread for it.
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morriss wrote:
Yeah, and I can fly and shoot laser beams from my eyes and have had sex with every Danish girl and were all shit and hairy but let's not divert too far off topic.
Anyway, I could beat in a social-political debate all day long but this isn't the thread for it.LB, you really are a massive geek.
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