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  • oceanmotion 2 Jan 2013 20:58:37 16,129 posts
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    Hard to achieve with other clients, publishers and consoles. Steam does get a lot of compatible games but ones that use the full suite, doubt it's a big majority.

    While MS seem uninterested in PC games, GWFL is all but dead, Xbox Windows looks like the replacement that won't get much attention until the next gen XBL gets shown off and I imagine they will pin their hopes on devs making Xbox and Windows versions with the same core XBL base rather than using Steamworks.
  • Deleted user 2 January 2013 21:07:48
    It's not even necessarily the full suite of Steamworks, a lot of games are Steam only without even using it that much. Skyrim, Dishonored, all of the latest CODs, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 3, X-Com, all require Steam, non-optional, regardless of where you buy it from.
  • EMarkM 2 Jan 2013 22:07:00 3,463 posts
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    If it's not called the Steam Engine, I'm not buying one.

    Stupid Steam Box.
  • L0cky 3 Jan 2013 00:10:12 1,560 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Surely it would just be trading one monopoly for another in the long run?
    OpenGL is open source; any OS can run it, including Windows (and X-Box). DirectX only works on Windows (and X-Box). So if all the PC devs used OpenGL it'd be much easier to release their games on all systems (including Mac) instead of just Windows.

    Carmack has always used OpenGL for hw acceleration, which is why id's games have always been on pretty much everything.
  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 00:26:04
    OpenGL is not open source.
  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 00:32:15
    Again, I was talking about trading an OS monopoly for a distribution one. Valve decrying MS's approach to a walled garden isn't done so out of wanting an open free market, it's done so because they want to be the one to control it.
  • L0cky 3 Jan 2013 08:18:59 1,560 posts
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    CrispyXUK wrote:
    OpenGL is not open source.
    Well, it's confusing to be honest.

    http://www.sgi.com/products/software/opengl/license.html

    But the main point is it will be available to use on pretty much any platform, unlike DirectX.

    Edited by L0cky at 08:19:11 03-01-2013
  • Ged42 3 Jan 2013 09:02:53 7,812 posts
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    I wonder if there is room in the board games market for a Valve Monopoly?
  • dominalien 3 Jan 2013 11:27:24 7,071 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Again, I was talking about trading an OS monopoly for a distribution one. Valve decrying MS's approach to a walled garden isn't done so out of wanting an open free market, it's done so because they want to be the one to control it.
    I'm not really seeing the monopoly here. It's not like Valve can come out and say: if you want to release games for Linux, you have to release through us.

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  • warlockuk 3 Jan 2013 12:05:40 19,224 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    meme wrote:
    Again, I was talking about trading an OS monopoly for a distribution one. Valve decrying MS's approach to a walled garden isn't done so out of wanting an open free market, it's done so because they want to be the one to control it.
    I'm not really seeing the monopoly here. It's not like Valve can come out and say: if you want to release games for Linux, you have to release through us.
    Linux has had distribution apps/platforms for ages for people to download on. If anything they're offering an alternative to the default Ubuntu one (which is pretty crap).

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • dominalien 3 Jan 2013 12:07:29 7,071 posts
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    Yeah, the Ubuntu one has a very long way to go. It works... but that's about as much as can be said about it.

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  • oceanmotion 3 Jan 2013 12:26:30 16,129 posts
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    meme wrote:
    It's not even necessarily the full suite of Steamworks, a lot of games are Steam only without even using it that much. Skyrim, Dishonored, all of the latest CODs, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 3, X-Com, all require Steam, non-optional, regardless of where you buy it from.
    Some power shift at least then but other similar client set ups should even it out. Save us GOG.
  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 15:17:35
    dominalien wrote:
    meme wrote:
    Again, I was talking about trading an OS monopoly for a distribution one. Valve decrying MS's approach to a walled garden isn't done so out of wanting an open free market, it's done so because they want to be the one to control it.
    I'm not really seeing the monopoly here. It's not like Valve can come out and say: if you want to release games for Linux, you have to release through us.
    See previous posts. Valve just need to go "we have cross-platform middleware you can use for cloud saving and online multiplayer matchup. But to use it you have to be Steam exclusive" (this isn't even that far from what it is now) and they'll become defacto for Linux gaming (should it become any sort of success).

    Once more, I'm not necessarily suggesting this is a bad thing (I bloody love Steam), I'm just attempting to point out that any talk of Valve trying to break a gaming monopoly is somewhat moot, because their end goal is to replace it with one of their own.

    Edited by meme at 15:18:11 03-01-2013
  • dominalien 3 Jan 2013 15:26:48 7,071 posts
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    @meme

    All right, I'll give you all that.

    Still... it's much easier to break a tool/online matchmaking/whatever monopoly than it is an operating system one (as our current situation clearly demonstrates). It's Gamespy on Monday, GfWL on Tuesday, Steamworks on Wednesday, etc. No-one will even notice the difference, as long as it works somewhat.

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  • dominalien 3 Jan 2013 15:28:00 7,071 posts
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    Oh, and also, I think every company on the planet is striving to establish their own monopoly. I'm pretty sure no-one, when starting a business, says "My final goal is 20% of the market, I'll leave the rest to the competition".

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  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 15:32:50
    Eh, depends, really. While 100% ownership seems desirable, monopolies do genuinely kill markets. Which is why those who have it work around it - like washing liquid and the like. Dozens of different brands, with two or three companies behind the lot of them. I'd imagine most companies, while lusting after a monopoly, realistically look at what chunk of marketshare they can actually grab, and take that. It would be exceptionally rare for a company to be in a position where they can legitimately form a monopoly (which is a position Valve are in).

    Edited by meme at 15:33:05 03-01-2013
  • UncleLou Moderator 3 Jan 2013 15:35:42 35,858 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Again, I was talking about trading an OS monopoly for a distribution one. Valve decrying MS's approach to a walled garden isn't done so out of wanting an open free market, it's done so because they want to be the one to control it.
    I really don't think that's what their goal is. They don't want to control the market (although they certainly don't mind that they play a major role), but they are afraid to get shut out of the existing market or at least marginalised in the long run. I am not aware that Valve ever attracted attention with any dubious behaviour against their competitors.

    But when your business depends on the decisions of another party that is starting to compete with you and it looks like you might have to overcome more obstacles in the future, of course you try to become independent, and as soon as possible.
  • dominalien 3 Jan 2013 15:38:57 7,071 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Eh, depends, really. While 100% ownership seems desirable, monopolies do genuinely kill markets. Which is why those who have it work around it - like washing liquid and the like. Dozens of different brands, with two or three companies behind the lot of them. I'd imagine most companies, while lusting after a monopoly, realistically look at what chunk of marketshare they can actually grab, and take that. It would be exceptionally rare for a company to be in a position where they can legitimately form a monopoly (which is a position Valve are in).
    There's nothing stopping them from creating a new company with a new distribution platform, which will then "compete" with the other one. Leaving us to obsess over which one is better and trying to convince each other of our favourite's merits. Much like the two coffee shops in DXIW. :-)

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  • jamesi 4 Jan 2013 04:55:20 223 posts
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    Next gen for me was going to be all about xbox 720 and ps4 but this has thrown a spanner in the works.I'm really intrigued by the steam box and what valve will do with it.One thing i hate about being a console only gamer is missing out on all the pc horror games and cool mods.I think this thing could really be succesfull for valve and will be launching near same time as next consoles.I will probably end up getting all three lol:eek:
  • mcmonkeyplc 4 Jan 2013 07:35:27 39,570 posts
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    Steam box? I 5 meter HDMI cable I say. :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • LeoliansBro 4 Jan 2013 08:08:00 44,966 posts
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    So this will cap and crystallise hardware requirements for Steam downloads?

    Gets my vote! I love the broadness and choice in PC gaming but I'm as tech savvy as a jellyfish so having simeone sort out the optimisation and ensure games are running as well as they can ahead of time has always made consoles preferable for me. This could be right on the sweet spot.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • AaronTurner 4 Jan 2013 08:45:30 7,886 posts
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    Most gamew aren't Linux compatible are they?
  • Benno 4 Jan 2013 08:50:26 10,268 posts
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    I think there's only about 30 that are, and the majority are indie titles
  • dominalien 4 Jan 2013 11:24:26 7,071 posts
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    If not all. There are more on Desura, with only one or two not labelled as indie, and even that is stretching it.

    So... it's clearly about new games only. Fair enough, I guess, considering it's a console-like device.

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  • SparkyMarky81 4 Jan 2013 12:57:11 567 posts
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    I don't see the point in this. If you want to game on PC, buy a PC. If you want a console experience, buy a console.

    This is kind of a confusing proposition for me unless it works out cheaper than a gaming PC (posible without windows), but even then it won't have all the other uses a normal gaming pc would.

    Edited by SparkyMarky81 at 12:57:38 04-01-2013
  • Mr-Brett 4 Jan 2013 13:18:39 12,897 posts
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    A decent UI, cloud saves that aren't limited or cost extra, cheap games, no Xbox live fees. I would say backwards compatibility but I'm not sure about that one, since the proper Steamboxes will be Linux.

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  • Dougs 4 Jan 2013 13:31:17 69,544 posts
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    Mr-Brett wrote:
    A decent UI, cloud saves that aren't limited or cost extra, cheap games, no Xbox live fees. I would say backwards compatibility but I'm not sure about that one, since the proper Steamboxes will be Linux.
    Yep, the ecosystem in a nutshell. I'd be interested if I could take my existing catalogue across. Although I may just sling this under the TV at some point and get a cheap PC for office stuff
  • AaronTurner 4 Jan 2013 14:30:03 7,886 posts
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    I'd be more interested in something that includes my current catalogue
  • El_MUERkO 8 Jan 2013 02:09:34 17,152 posts
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    http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3848916/xi3s-valve-funded-computer-designed-to-work-with-big-picture-mode

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/08/valve-backed-living-room-pc-system-debuts-today/
  • Whizzo 8 Jan 2013 02:27:41 43,372 posts
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    Shitbox more like.

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