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  • Widge Moderator 10 Jan 2013 07:53:57 12,598 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    I honestly think it's going to flop big time. As will the OUYA and Project Shield.

    Who are they trying to convert?

    XBox owners who know there's a new console on the way? Not a chance.
    Playstation owners who know there's a new console on it's way? Not a chance.
    Nintendo owners? I don't think so.
    People buying new consoles? Not a chance.
    PC owners? Gibe me a frikkin' break here.

    As far as price goes, OUYA may have a chance if it's cheap, as a novelty for existing tech owners. But why if you can play Android games on your smartphone or tablet?

    And no, smart cool stuff that works does not sell. Look at the Vita. It's going to have to be cheap to stand any chance.
    One advantage Steam has is it doesn't need to win over the publishers and developers to release stuff on their new platform, it already has them.

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  • Rodney 10 Jan 2013 08:28:03 1,682 posts
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    For me, higher resolutions and frame rates, mods, old classics and there are some genres that I like that are better catered for on PC; RTS, strategy, space sims, driving sims. plus I want a more open and versatile media player.

    But mostly it's for the porn.
  • Widge Moderator 10 Jan 2013 08:28:29 12,598 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    I honestly think it's going to flop big time. As will the OUYA and Project Shield.

    Who are they trying to convert?

    XBox owners who know there's a new console on the way? Not a chance.
    Playstation owners who know there's a new console on it's way? Not a chance.
    Nintendo owners? I don't think so.
    People buying new consoles? Not a chance.
    PC owners? Gibe me a frikkin' break here.

    As far as price goes, OUYA may have a chance if it's cheap, as a novelty for existing tech owners. But why if you can play Android games on your smartphone or tablet?

    And no, smart cool stuff that works does not sell. Look at the Vita. It's going to have to be cheap to stand any chance.
    One advantage Steam has is it doesn't need to win over the publishers and developers to release stuff on their new platform, it already has them.

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  • gelf 10 Jan 2013 13:37:04 185 posts
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    They still will need to ensure dev support if they want new Linux versions of games though.

    This thing does have the advantage that it does not need to be as successful as a mainstream console as its more about increasing steams reach. Valve wont care too much how people access the steam store on a (linux) desktop or a consolish thing as long as more people are using it.

    Edited by gelf at 13:42:47 10-01-2013
  • cubbymoore 10 Jan 2013 13:43:51 36,441 posts
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    It has the publishers and developers at the moment because steam runs on Windows, and to a lesser extent OSX. Will the publishers jump with valve if they want to move away from windows, if that is what they're trying to do, because I still don't know what it is exactly they want to do.
  • oceanmotion 10 Jan 2013 14:17:38 15,243 posts
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    Gabe wants Steam to remain relevant. His issue is consumers are moving away from tower PCs to tablets, laptops, phones, the big TV, App stores.

    If Gabe was clear, he would say this instead of obscure Windows comments. Microsoft are reacting to this just as Valve are reacting to possibly being frozen out more than they would like in the future.

    Gabe wants his business to grow and survive, going Linux and targeting the TV and home hub set up gives them a chance because they aren't the only ones about to turn it up to 11, Microsoft and Sony will be trying to take over the home as well with a different approach. Valve can fight on Windows and Linux, they aren't ditching one for the other. Might work or might not but they can't stand still.

    I think it will be baby steps for Valve with Linux. If they get their new games day one on Linux, that at least will be something. Remains to be seen if publishers will jump on it. Valve might entice them with less royalty payments and better dev tools, who knows. Have to wait and see.

    Edited by oceanmotion at 14:19:17 10-01-2013
  • Dirtbox 10 Jan 2013 14:29:34 76,334 posts
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    cubbymoore wrote:
    It has the publishers and developers at the moment because steam runs on Windows, and to a lesser extent OSX. Will the publishers jump with valve if they want to move away from windows, if that is what they're trying to do, because I still don't know what it is exactly they want to do.
    No, there are still more PC users and publishers aren't going to ditch a platform because one of 10 or so large content providers does. Nor will Valve ever ditch windows, they built their entire business on it and owe everything they have to the customer base that uses it. What they're doing is hedging their bets by branching out into other options for when/if MS decide that windows store apps are to be the only thing you're allowed to install on windows. A time that will never come if they have even a gram of common sense.

    As for the drop in PC sales, we're still riding the peak of mobile/tablet hype cycle.



    Edited by Dirtbox at 14:32:09 10-01-2013

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  • lavalant 10 Jan 2013 18:13:12 1,249 posts
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    I think Nintendo should make one and put their whole back catalouge of games on Steam, they could release addons like the WiiU controller and Wiimote and other stupid gimmicks if they want. I mean how long do Nintendo have before they're just a handhelds only company? they make the money off software sales.
  • TurboBailey 5 Feb 2013 01:33:17 685 posts
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    I want a steambox - more than a ps4 and xbox3.
  • Lukus 5 Feb 2013 01:44:05 18,955 posts
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    That's nice.

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  • Telepathic.Geometry 5 Feb 2013 02:45:19 11,121 posts
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    I potentially want all three, but I have to admit, as the owner of a PS3, I'd most like to get a Steambox, as it is the console with most of the games I wasn't able to play on the PS3. C'mon Valve, sort it out...

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  • dominalien 8 Mar 2013 17:58:25 6,742 posts
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    Michael from phoronix.com talks about possible Steambox hardware specs.

    Obviously it's pure speculation at this time, but since he's been benchmarking Linux games, including Valve's as yet unreleased games on the platform, he probably mostly knows what he's talking about. If anything, it makes for a nice diversion while waiting for some news from Valve. :-)

    I still can't really wrap my head around how they're planning to push Linux as a gaming system. Getting traditional publishing behemoths like EA, Acti, Ubi, etc. to start supporting a yet another PC platform is a really gargantuan task. I'm half expecting them to come out and say at some point: we tried to get others on board but the support just isn't there, here's a Steambox running on Windows.

    Then again, maybe I'm underestimating Valve. They are incredibly successful, after all, even if a little low key.

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  • cubbymoore 8 Mar 2013 18:07:00 36,441 posts
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    They've been successful mostly in a windows environment so far. They probably shouldn't underestimate that fact.
  • Bremenacht 8 Mar 2013 20:51:14 15,753 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    Michael from phoronix.com talks about possible Steambox hardware specs.
    That's the bacon-flavoured German beer in that picture! Or smokey, to be more accurate. Either way, it's 'orrible.

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  • Bremenacht 8 Mar 2013 20:55:23 15,753 posts
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    As long as the drivers behave the same way as those on Windows, and the code doesn't make any odd calls to the O/S, I don't see why most stuff couldn't be made to work on Linux. Some form of abstraction.

    Is it really any harder than getting old DOS games to run in Windows?

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  • dominalien 8 Mar 2013 21:51:37 6,742 posts
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    Yes, much harder. :-)

    The abstraction is already there and it's called Wine. It's awesome... or crap, depending on how you look at it. Transgaming has been using it to publish Windows games for the Mac without actually doing anything, as has CD Projekt with the 1st Witcher. Results can be spectacular, but are very often underwhelming.

    I don't believe it's the solution (or even a solution). This will need native, very well performing games to be successful. Which means convincing big name companies to bring out Linux versions of their new games, plus a number of older titles to be made compatible. Tricky.

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  • Ginger 8 Mar 2013 21:52:33 6,808 posts
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    I keep wondering whether they'll integrate wine or playonlinux to deal with all the legacy games

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  • Bremenacht 9 Mar 2013 15:11:34 15,753 posts
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    Chariot of 'Open'ness?

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  • Dirtbox 9 Mar 2013 15:27:19 76,334 posts
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    A bit obvious. It's safe to say that Steam is a walled garden in the exact same was that itunes is.

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  • Chopsen 9 Mar 2013 15:30:33 15,178 posts
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    Fairly sure I read a interview with Gabe where he said you can install what you want on the console, including a different OS if you wanted to.

    Of course, talk is cheap, and we'll see what comes of it. It's not massively unlikely for it be very much "just" another console though.
  • Bremenacht 15 Mar 2013 21:38:08 15,753 posts
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    Oh dear.

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  • dominalien 16 Mar 2013 06:24:54 6,742 posts
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    Yeah, the piston looks sillier by the the minute.

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  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 06:58:18 76,334 posts
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    Don't see what's silly about that, it would be utterly worthless for gaming if they had linux or osx on it.

    It's a PC in a little box, what did you expect?

    Edited by Dirtbox at 07:02:23 16-03-2013

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  • Dougs 16 Mar 2013 08:17:37 64,910 posts
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    Nothing, apart from the price it seems.
  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 08:30:02 76,334 posts
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    That's what you get if you buy a mid range PC that's marketed towards idiots. Apple's been doing it for years.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 08:30:54 16-03-2013

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  • OptimusPube 16 Mar 2013 08:39:43 2,412 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Nothing, apart from the price it seems.
    That is a ridiculous price, plus it looks tacky as shit, it looks like a cheese grater in fact.

    Is it supposed to be like this?

  • dominalien 16 Mar 2013 09:11:51 6,742 posts
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    OptimusPube wrote:
    Dougs wrote:
    Nothing, apart from the price it seems.
    That is a ridiculous price, plus it looks tacky as shit, it looks like a cheese grater in fact.
    Looking like a food processing appliance has not stopped the PS3 from becoming an arguable success. :-)

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  • Bremenacht 16 Mar 2013 10:44:26 15,753 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Don't see what's silly about that, it would be utterly worthless for gaming if they had linux or osx on it.

    It's a PC in a little box, what did you expect?
    Well I was hoping for a Steambox, whereas this is a PC.

    I'm thinking my expectations from a Steambox are increasingly seeming silly. I hoped for:

    A SteamOS.
    Games that would run on a SteamOS. Lots of them.
    Half Life 3.

    Of course, that last one was pie in the sky, but I wonder if the other two are just as pie-like.

    Silly me.

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  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 11:25:08 76,334 posts
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    It's not a steambox though, that much is obvious, at the moment there is no such thing as SteamOS. And sorry to burst any bubbles, but if valve released a linux based box now, it'll only have a grand total of about 20 games, most of which are either shit or ancient. Linux is currently completely pointless.

    If you want a gaming box that runs steam, it has to have windows installed because that's what 99.99% of all the games on Steam require.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 11:29:14 16-03-2013

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  • sport 16 Mar 2013 11:29:10 12,046 posts
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    Gamers have been begging for Linux for years DB! Years!!!
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