CSS for (relative) beginners

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  • morriss 1 Dec 2012 14:23:01 70,911 posts
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    Hello. Can anyone recommend a good website/book etc?

    I'd like to pay Wordpress $30 to get access to the CSS for my site as there are a few tweaks etc. that *.com doesn't allow for.

    I'm not interested in going *.org and hosting fees etc. until I knid of understand what I'm looking at.

    Basic stuff like links, mailto, bold, code I'm pretty apt at, so I'd like to be able to go the next step. (which is html, I know)

    Any ideas? (again, a website, a book etc.)

    Edited by morriss at 16:30:46 01-12-2012
  • SYS64738 1 Dec 2012 14:52:05 1,598 posts
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    Found w3schools.com (.org?) useful enough as a starting point.
  • askew 1 Dec 2012 15:06:27 12,060 posts
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    Here we go: http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/htmlcss
  • morriss 1 Dec 2012 15:21:56 70,911 posts
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    Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be a "I can't be bothered to Google, do it for me" thread. I wondered if anyone had any experience using a specific site/book that they found helpful.

    Thanks for the tips so far! :)
  • askew 1 Dec 2012 15:32:00 12,060 posts
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    Ah, in that case, I'd swear by Dan Cederholm: Web Standards Solutions and Bulletproof CSS will get you started.
  • morriss 1 Dec 2012 16:28:18 70,911 posts
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    Cheers.
  • DFawkes 1 Dec 2012 16:46:57 22,619 posts
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    SYS64738 wrote:
    Found w3schools.com (.org?) useful enough as a starting point.
    This one is really good. Most of the materials we used at Uni were lifted from here - it's pretty good for the basics and has plenty on most things you'd ever need to know :)

    I've forgotten most of it now of course, so I revisit the site when I need help remembering.

    I'd kick the living daylights out of the producers of Tipping Point - Ghandi

  • janos 1 Dec 2012 16:48:45 190 posts
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    I'd write a tutorial for *absolute* beginners, but that would take it out of the document flow.

    (Sorry)
  • convz 1 Dec 2012 16:59:51 354 posts
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    DFawkes wrote:
    This one is really good. Most of the materials we used at Uni were lifted from here
    What Uni did you go to? Most people regard w3schools as a 'detriment to the web' http://w3fools.com/
  • morriss 1 Dec 2012 18:40:14 70,911 posts
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    Wow. That doesn't sound too good.
  • Deleted user 1 December 2012 18:42:35
    The sites run by envato like webtuts plus are all really good. They have a premium service which is pretty cheap and has some excellent video tutorial courses.
  • DFawkes 1 Dec 2012 18:44:34 22,619 posts
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    I was going to say I stand by it, but I hadn't visited in a while. It's horrible now! I do stand by it being quite useful at one time, but not so much now. Still okay though.

    Edited by DFawkes at 19:08:05 01-12-2012

    I'd kick the living daylights out of the producers of Tipping Point - Ghandi

  • DaM 1 Dec 2012 19:02:41 12,906 posts
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    Didn't realise they charge for stuff, I did wonder how they made money...
  • DFawkes 1 Dec 2012 19:11:05 22,619 posts
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    I should probably clarify the tests and certificates on w3schools are worthless, but the tutorials and sample code is still alright. Certainly worth a peek since those parts are free :)

    I'd kick the living daylights out of the producers of Tipping Point - Ghandi

  • janos 1 Dec 2012 19:18:39 190 posts
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    For a more serious answer, I'd say you should look at books going into more general concepts like the semantic web (they say Jeffrey Zeldman's "Designing With Web Standards" is a good'un). These days you should really look into general Javascript as well, and dive into one of the excellent frameworks out there (pick one, jQuery is the most popular but there are many others).

    Doing more advanced stuff in Wordpress would mean jumping head first into server side programming as well as DB querying too. Lots to take in, but start with looking at HTML5 + CSS3 and you will be well on your way.

    I've always found w3schools to be too all encompassing. Touches on everything, goes into detail on nothing. Furious Googling and asking around on message boards such as this one is more productive.

    (Edit: the "serious answer" bit is referring to my css nerd joke above, not the other answers in the thread!)

    Edited by janos at 19:21:13 01-12-2012
  • SYS64738 1 Dec 2012 19:52:18 1,598 posts
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    DFawkes wrote:
    I should probably clarify the tests and certificates on w3schools are worthless, but the tutorials and sample code is still alright. Certainly worth a peek since those parts are free :)
    Yep hence why I suggested it as starting point only. As said above there's not enough info once you're trying to get into the nitty gritty but I found it ok as it's free and introduces you to the fundamentals (for someone like me who knows feck all about the material).

    Edit: like askew's link, shall check it out for myself, thanks:-)

    Edited by SYS64738 at 19:56:01 01-12-2012
  • Deleted user 1 December 2012 23:51:41
    If you want some advice regarding Wordpress, I'd say ignore their own .com solution and buy cheap hosting - you can probably find something cheaper than the $30 they're asking for extended access. Installing and maintaining your own install of WP is ridiculously easy, and nowadays most hosters have one-click installs that means you don't have to bother with doing it manually anyway. It also makes it a fuck of a lot easier to customise things beyond just CSS.

    Know you said you weren't ready for hosting yet, but just my two-cents as a guy who owns five different domains running WP.
  • morriss 2 Dec 2012 00:11:39 70,911 posts
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    hmmmmmmmm

    I've got the Oxygen theme, so I could just export everything over pretty easily, right?
  • Deleted user 2 December 2012 00:14:56
    Yep. WP lets you dump all posts to a xml file then reimport them to a different site.
  • DaM 2 Dec 2012 00:21:35 12,906 posts
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    Have to agree with Meme - it'll be cheaper, and is easy - any issues I'm sure you'd find a solution here.
  • morriss 2 Dec 2012 00:26:06 70,911 posts
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    I know someone who'll host the site, too. They've offered. I'll have a think. But now for bed.

    Thanks all.
  • jablonski 4 Dec 2012 10:03:57 3,440 posts
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    I hate those Evanto sites. Just full of kids looking for a quick fix, or the latest tired trend any decent designer wouldn't touch.

    I generally use Lynda.com if I need to get up to speed on something.
  • Deleted user 4 December 2012 10:23:39
    jablonski wrote:
    I hate those Evanto sites. Just full of kids looking for a quick fix, or the latest tired trend any decent designer wouldn't touch.

    I generally use Lynda.com if I need to get up to speed on something.
    I tend to agree with you but the tutorials on the premium service are worth a look.

    Edit: Yup, Lynda.com's tuts are brilliant as well, mostly, except when you get a tutor blessed with a coma-inducing voice...

    Edited by BillCityfingers at 10:25:53 04-12-2012
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