The Scottish Fitba Thread v3.0

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  • Armoured_Bear 14 Nov 2012 17:12:13 11,728 posts
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    Will the SPL and SFA agree to this?

    I'm so annoyed that they've copied the retared English Leage naming convention :-(

    So, what happened to the other thread? .

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  • nickthegun 14 Nov 2012 17:21:46 61,084 posts
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    I hated the championship at first, but you get used to it. You wont, being a celtic fan, but everyone else will.

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  • Popzeus 14 Nov 2012 17:27:26 8,413 posts
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    It's the "First Division" in the third tier that rankles, and I say that as a fan of a side currently languishing in the glamourous-sounding "League One".

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  • ResidentKnievel 14 Nov 2012 19:34:03 6,259 posts
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    It would be cool if the top flight expanded to 16 teams, I wouldn't have though there's enough strength and depth in Scotland to have a competitive 16-team league before this season.

    Rangers going out of business has been the best thing to happen to Scottish football in years.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 19:34:55 14-11-2012

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  • Mekanik 14 Nov 2012 19:45:44 3,711 posts
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    I dont really care what the names of the leagues are.

    Increasing the size of the "top" division is a definite must. Surely everyone can see that now after rangers left. The other teams actually are able to scrap over matches and places in the league without 1 team going hell-for-leather and running off with it (or 2 teams as normal). 16 seems a decent number.

    Wouldnt 16-12-14 or similar be a better setup? Only 10 in the "championship" seems quite small.

    SPL wont want to give up their "in-charge" status though i wouldnt think.

    Edit: and no idea where the other thread went.

    Edited by Mekanik at 19:46:44 14-11-2012
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Nov 2012 19:47:40 6,259 posts
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    At least both the SPL and SFL want a 16 team top flight, so it probably might maybe happen.

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  • Mekanik 14 Nov 2012 19:48:42 3,711 posts
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    Also, 2-0 Scotland in their friendly? A win and Stark will almost certainly get the job. Personally i think Strachan should be given a go.
  • oceanmotion 14 Nov 2012 19:49:31 16,090 posts
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    Never going to have a chance of being competitive if they don't make the league bigger. Having teams play each other four times over a season is stupid. I know money was the reason but there is so little and you just water down derbies, big games and any really it probably offsets the gain of playing each other more.

    Long time coming and hope they get it right. I think it will change the game for the better at all levels.
  • Mekanik 14 Nov 2012 19:50:26 3,711 posts
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    And lol.
  • President_Weasel 14 Nov 2012 19:54:59 9,605 posts
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    What's a "breach of conduct"? I am pretty sure that's not an actual thing, Hibs.
  • ResidentKnievel 17 Nov 2012 12:12:51 6,259 posts
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    It'll be great if Aberdeen win, seems like a good atmosphere

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  • Mekanik 18 Nov 2012 10:52:43 3,711 posts
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    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    It'll be great if Aberdeen win, seems like a good atmosphere
    Kiss of death!!!

    From what friends have said who were there 2 goals flattered Celtic but a draw, or win, for the Dons was always unlikely.

    Pas Broon shows too much respect to them. Digs in too deep and defends a bit much. Take the game to them really, got nothing to lose.

    Still, a decent crowd turned up, which is always nice. Imagine if there was no Celtic and each game was of much higher importance. I reckon crowds would be bigger all round, for Aberdeen at least. Always been a fickle crowd at Pittodrie.
  • President_Weasel 18 Nov 2012 17:23:39 9,605 posts
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    Scottish football has been repeatedly shooting itself in both feet since the 90s, enforcing the 10k all-seater rule on teams who'd never fill the stadia, allowing teams like Livingston to overspend wildly, outcompete teams trying to live within their means, and then go tits up but not before the knock-on effect has led to many of the other teams paying too much for, for example, overpriced Scandinavian imports, and knackering their own finances while at the same time not bringing any youngsters through.
    Luckily there's been a financial crash and there's no bloody money, so clubs have been forced to develop players recently, hooray for recessions!
  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 05:48:53 7,849 posts
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    Rangers won the tax case. I guess a lot of people have a lot of hyperbolic nonsense to retract.
  • DaM 21 Nov 2012 06:47:45 13,444 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    Rangers won the tax case. I guess a lot of people have a lot of hyperbolic nonsense to retract.
    I couldn't find this thread last night to post this - what happened to the last one?

    I've nothing to say, I'm too busy setting up an offshore trust to give me loans instead of running all that payroll/PAYE nonsense.
  • craigy Staff 21 Nov 2012 09:48:28 7,779 posts
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    If you did you'd be well within your rights -- the courts say so :D
  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 10:42:03 7,849 posts
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    I have to say, the news has left me with very mixed feelings. This whole sorry mess could have been avoided. The one thing that I feel very sure about is that I want Rangers to leave the Scottish game. I don't want to be a part of this anymore. The whole thing has been a disgusting and pornographic sideshow played out to the bigoted masses in Scotland who wanted to believe so badly that we were cheats that they turned accusations to fact.

    Edited by AaronTurner at 10:42:37 21-11-2012
  • Vortex808 21 Nov 2012 10:59:23 7,476 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    I have to say, the news has left me with very mixed feelings. This whole sorry mess could have been avoided. The one thing that I feel very sure about is that I want Rangers to leave the Scottish game. I don't want to be a part of this anymore. The whole thing has been a disgusting and pornographic sideshow played out to the bigoted masses in Scotland who wanted to believe so badly that we were cheats that they turned accusations to fact.
    :) Yet you claim above that other people had too much hyperbole?

    I love both sides of the old firm's automatic default option to claim persecution/bigotry against your team. It's so comical, and all the referee's have it in for you too, you never get the big decisions etc...

    I dearly wish both old firm clubs would leave and take their bullshit with them because I am fed up hearing the same shit every time one club feels slighted. It'll never happen unless some euro league is formed so give it up, eh?

    Also I fail to see how yesterday's decision categorically proves anything. HMRC can still appeal if they choose to pursue it, and giving wages via loans to players to avoid tax while no doubt technically legal via various loopholes, must still be pretty close to bordering on the criminal, or HMRC would not have pursued the case in the first instance.
  • DaM 21 Nov 2012 11:15:28 13,444 posts
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    a disgusting and pornographic sideshow
    No, it's really not been that interesting!

    I'd be surprised if the HMRC didn't appeal. The tax-free status of a loan is surely in the expectation that the loan will be paid back at some point . I'm financing a company buyout through a loan scheme at the moment - it will be paid back to me, tax-free. These are not really loans, they will never be paid back.

    And the SFA has still to rule on whether their rules on contracts were broken? All the matches played with players on these loans could still be ruled as forfeited.

    I'll bet this had a huge effect on potential purchasers of the club - surely everyone would have been expecting to fork out this in the future, making it an unattractive proposition.
  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 11:22:10 7,849 posts
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    I think you guys need to have a read about what an ebt is, no it's not criminal.

    Hyperbole has been constantly used in attacks against us. Now if you think I'm exaggerating after watching my club go bust and wait nervously without even knowing if we would see football at Ibrox again,then you are mistaken. I think the whole episode is utterly shameful and frankly the lack of apologies coming from those that attacked the club simply reinforces my beliefs. There is no place for Rangers in Scottish football any more.
  • ResidentKnievel 21 Nov 2012 11:27:23 6,259 posts
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    An ebt isn't inherently criminal, depends how it's used. I'm surprised Rangers won, paying their players wages tax free seems like a hard thing to defend.

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  • Vortex808 21 Nov 2012 11:45:29 7,476 posts
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    DaM wrote:

    The tax-free status of a loan is surely in the expectation that the loan will be paid back at some point .

    These are not really loans, they will never be paid back.

    You see Aaron, this is the main crux of the matter for me as well.

    If some of the loans are recalled as has been suggested, I doubt many of the ex-players who have benefited from them would be too chuffed at that.
  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 11:48:29 7,849 posts
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    The ebts can't be recalled, the oldco has no responsibility over them, the trust does. There is no tangible link between the two.
  • ResidentKnievel 21 Nov 2012 11:54:41 6,259 posts
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    No tangible link between the trust and the company that set up the trust. Huh.

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  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 12:06:26 7,849 posts
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    What I should say is that there is apparently no means by which anyone can reclaim the loans from the players. So HMRC cannot persue them.
  • Armoured_Bear 21 Nov 2012 12:18:20 11,728 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    I think you guys need to have a read about what an ebt is, no it's not criminal.

    Hyperbole has been constantly used in attacks against us. Now if you think I'm exaggerating after watching my club go bust and wait nervously without even knowing if we would see football at Ibrox again,then you are mistaken. I think the whole episode is utterly shameful and frankly the lack of apologies coming from those that attacked the club simply reinforces my beliefs. There is no place for Rangers in Scottish football any more.
    Are you utterly deluded?
    The SFA and SPL tried every trick in the book to give Rangers special treatment, they're still at it now and you go on about being attacked?

    What is shameful is how desperately the powers that be tried to protect Rangers over everything else.

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  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 12:23:38 7,849 posts
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    I feel sorry for you. If you think the SPL and SFA tried to keep us in the top flight for our own benefit then you're misguided, we would have been heavily sanctioned for years to come.

    I think after the kicking we've received it would have been decent for people to be slightly apologetic but I'm in no way surprised that they aren't. This was never really about the fact, it was always about hatred.
  • nickthegun 21 Nov 2012 12:25:30 61,084 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    The one thing that I feel very sure about is that I want Rangers to leave the Scottish game.
    Just to confirm: we dont want you either, so that leaves the macwhirter league for you.

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  • AaronTurner 21 Nov 2012 12:29:14 7,849 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    AaronTurner wrote:
    The one thing that I feel very sure about is that I want Rangers to leave the Scottish game.
    Just to confirm: we dont want you either, so that leaves the macwhirter league for you.
    I know right? You don't want us because we're cheats etc.

    Or is it just that you blindly hate us?

    I know which I believe and at the moment hold no desire to mix with the top flight again.
  • nickthegun 21 Nov 2012 12:31:32 61,084 posts
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    The first one mixed with a view that scottish teams should play in scotland and we shouldnt be allowed to cherry pick which leagues we enter.

    I dont even like swansea being in the premier league.

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