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  • MMMarmite 15 Nov 2012 09:57:42 1,020 posts
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    @rodpad +1, a socket 2011 motherboard is overkill for playing games. Also I wouldn't be happy if somebody sent me a motherboard with the heatsink and fan sticking out the top of the motherboard box :S
  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 10:30:19
    @rodpad

    Well, INSOMANiAC is trying to stay below 1K, and the entire system I built, including buying Win8 Pro boxed, and a small SSD OCZ vertex3(SATA3 55GB C : \). Even adjusting for the 2xHitachi Terrabyte drives I already owned(SATA2s for D : \ in RAID1) was below that 1K.

    Yes, I'll need to upgrade the SSD and GPU in 2years time. But the cost of that, compared to spending it all on a overkill GPU/large SSD and buying a modern day Celeron socket board now, isn't good advice either.

    @MMMarmite

    The conroe system I decommissioned, I bought all the parts separately at the time with a view to overclock at end-of-life. It should have taken at least 600Mz per core, rather than 400Mhz, but the specification memory, just wouldn't stabilize in dual channel mode above 2GHz, and wouldn't be cost effective to replace. I agree, it is a big compromise for getting parts preopened/touched, but the alternative is potentially getting runt of the litter components again.

    Edited by vizzini at 10:31:18 15-11-2012
  • MMMarmite 15 Nov 2012 13:42:10 1,020 posts
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    @vizzini not sure where you're finding that the 1155 socket is a "modern day Celeron socket" it's the socket of choice for current-gen Intel chips.

    Runt of the litter parts will always happen due to the way the fabs bin the silicon, but on the flip you may get a chip that is more capable than expected. I would be more concerned about the strain on the motherboard when shipped with a massive heatsink installed if not correctly packaged.

    Edited by MMMarmite at 13:43:16 15-11-2012
  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 15:23:34
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    Intel have done well to rebrand the mid-range chips, and lose that negative Celeron connotation.
    But the Socket 2011 is definitely the Pentium class product to a Xeon (socket 1366) of today. So by the process of deduction the low power, integrated graphics, dual memory setup of socket 1155, sort means it has to be the unofficial Celeron line.

    Fyi The packaging was excellent. The motherboard box was tightly secured in the main box, and packaging around the heatsink/fan was tight to take away any possible strain, if or when the box was stored on its side or end in transit.

    The motherboard's own auto overclock feature took the chip upto ~4530MHz so there is still plenty of headroom. Even without manual tweaks the net gain will be around ~3600MHz over the four cores, if I need to use overclocking on it later down the line.

    Edited by vizzini at 15:24:09 15-11-2012
  • Armoured_Bear 15 Nov 2012 15:27:30 10,608 posts
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    vizzini, are you autistic?
    Just wondering...

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  • Fake_Blood 15 Nov 2012 15:58:34 4,171 posts
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    1155= celeron?

    Heh, that's a good one.
    I game on a core 2 quad with a gtx480, pretty much runs anything 60fps@1080p.
    I'm not buying a new system till the new consoles launch.

    Also, quad channel memory is dumb, memory bandwidth is not a bottleneck in games.
  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 16:02:52 3,829 posts
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    Pulled myself back from the brink of one of my 3am crazy purchases last night. I had the lot in my Amazon basket and just managed to not press the checkout button.

    I was at 1100 without keyboard and mouse, i had the x79, i7 3840 and 670 GPU but im going to go back to the i5 3570k I think.

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  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 16:30:29
    @INSOMANiAC

    Well I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever you buy, just like Armoured_bears is ;). I'm just playing devils advocate, so you made a choice, based on balanced info of all the CPU socket architectures available.

    I am intrigued by the need for a 670 option you had in your basket. When I was buying, I compromised a little on the GPU to pay for a small SSD, as the GTX 650 Ti OC with 768 cuda cores iirc seemed to be the sweetspot for price and performance, but as I'll be buying a newer mid end GPU before it becomes an issue, it wasn't too big a compromise.
  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 16:45:53 3,829 posts
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    I just wont it to last me at least three years with the distinct possibility of upgrading to a higher resolution and the 670 seems to be better at higher res for only a small increase in price, as for the i5 Im just keeping costs down and from what I've seen its more than enough to handle games for the forseeable future, should I need to upgrade at a later date, motherboards dont cost the earth so I should be ok

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  • merk 15 Nov 2012 16:56:46 143 posts
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    why not just buy a fucking Xeon! Fuck it!
  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 17:02:04 3,829 posts
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    OK, Ive re-evaluated once again taking all advice into consideration and now Im here

    Gigabyte SKT-1155 Z77X-D3H Motherboard
    Intel 3rd Generation Core i5-3570K CPU
    Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B 8GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory
    Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus USB 2.0 ATX Case
    OCZ AGT3-25SAT3-120G Agility 3 120GB SATA III 2.5 inch SSD
    Western Digital 2TB Internal Hard Drive - Caviar Green
    LiteOn IHAS124-19C 24x Internal DVDRW Black Bulk SATA
    EVGA GeF GTX 670 2GB GDDR5 Graphic Card
    OCZ OCZ-ZS650W-UK ZS Series 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply


    Total cost 893.06

    Leaving me just over 100 quid to get a mouse and keyboard and a couple of games, whats the verdict?

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  • mikew1985 15 Nov 2012 17:10:20 12,672 posts
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    Its a really nice system. The PSU is probably slightly overkill but order it and enjoy, it will play everything wonderfully.
  • damagedinc 15 Nov 2012 17:12:34 723 posts
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    posting in here as i dont want to start another thread. looking for a desktop or laptop under 300 quid to literally just store al my music on and use as main hub for syncing ipad and phone.

    i no longer have a laptop

    thanks
  • mrpon 15 Nov 2012 17:12:42 28,781 posts
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    Buy via topcashback INSO for err..top cash back!!

    Check the sig.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • Armoured_Bear 15 Nov 2012 17:14:53 10,608 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    OK, Ive re-evaluated once again taking all advice into consideration and now Im here

    Gigabyte SKT-1155 Z77X-D3H Motherboard
    Intel 3rd Generation Core i5-3570K CPU
    Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B 8GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory
    Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus USB 2.0 ATX Case
    OCZ AGT3-25SAT3-120G Agility 3 120GB SATA III 2.5 inch SSD
    Western Digital 2TB Internal Hard Drive - Caviar Green
    LiteOn IHAS124-19C 24x Internal DVDRW Black Bulk SATA
    EVGA GeF GTX 670 2GB GDDR5 Graphic Card
    OCZ OCZ-ZS650W-UK ZS Series 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply


    Total cost 893.06

    Leaving me just over 100 quid to get a mouse and keyboard and a couple of games, whats the verdict?
    Looks like a good system, I'd make sure that speedfan supports the motherboard so you can get it nice and quiet. Otherwise get the Asus one I linked earlier.

    Also, the Asus Direct CU II GPU is the quietest 670 around.

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  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 17:19:45 3,829 posts
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    Looks like a good system, I'd make sure that speedfan supports the motherboard so you can get it nice and quiet. Otherwise get the Asus one I linked earlier.

    Also, the Asus Direct CU II GPU is the quietest 670 around.
    I looked at both and apparently while the Asus is the best for noise, the Gigabyte is better temp wise and as the machine wil be pretty close to a radiator in a small room I thought I'd better go down the temp road, also the Asus is 8 quid more expensive ;)

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  • Armoured_Bear 15 Nov 2012 17:23:37 10,608 posts
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    Another thing, the PSU isn't modular so you'll have a load of unneeded cables cluttering up your case.

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  • Armoured_Bear 15 Nov 2012 17:24:35 10,608 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:


    Looks like a good system, I'd make sure that speedfan supports the motherboard so you can get it nice and quiet. Otherwise get the Asus one I linked earlier.

    Also, the Asus Direct CU II GPU is the quietest 670 around.
    I looked at both and apparently while the Asus is the best for noise, the Gigabyte is better temp wise and as the machine wil be pretty close to a radiator in a small room I thought I'd better go down the temp road, also the Asus is 8 quid more expensive ;)
    That case can have big 200m fans running quietly with great airflow, temperature won't be an issue.

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  • mrpon 15 Nov 2012 17:27:03 28,781 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    topcashback dont do cash back at Amazon though do they, and I'm strictly a quidco man!
    Neither do quidco my friend! I was a quidco fiend, but converted to tcb. Ebuyer are on tcb and pretty quick payers, they also pay out more in Amazon vouchers.

    Edited by mrpon at 17:27:26 15-11-2012

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 17:31:15 3,829 posts
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    Ok im convinced on the Asus despite reading about failure rates being quite high although I that is probably the case with them all, people generally only speak up when they have a problem

    theres this

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/OCZ-OCZ600MXSP-UK-ModXStream-Power-Supply/dp/tech-data/B001GLFD54/ref=de_a_smtd

    modular but 'only' 600w

    and this

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Powercool-Modular-650W-Dual-Efficiency/dp/B00647HXBC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1353000631&sr=8-6

    which is cheap but I've never heard of powercool...

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  • mrpon 15 Nov 2012 17:35:15 28,781 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    mrpon wrote:
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    topcashback dont do cash back at Amazon though do they, and I'm strictly a quidco man!
    Neither do quidco my friend! I was a quidco fiend, but converted to tcb. Ebuyer are on tcb and pretty quick payers, they also pay out more in Amazon vouchers.
    Indeed, Im a cashback monkey but I cant be arsed getting parts from various places and a lot of the ebuyer parts are more expensive than Amazon. I'm getting it all from Amazon
    Fair enough. You're aware of the checkin facility on the quidco app? Free dosh etc..

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 17:36:21 3,829 posts
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  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 17:40:36 3,829 posts
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  • Armoured_Bear 15 Nov 2012 17:52:13 10,608 posts
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    rodpad wrote:
    Did you get Speedfan working fine with the instructions I gave you Ecosse?
    Hi rodpad, cheers for that.
    Yes, it worked for all fans except the CPU, I had to use the ultra low noice cable and leave it at that.
    It needs a few mins to settle down to the automatic low levels but then it's perfect for all fans except the CPU.
    No matter what I did the CPU fan always stays at the same value.

    It's silent anyway, I only hear the GPU fan when under heavy load and then it's quieter and more pleasant than my PS3.

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