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  • BeebleB 16 Jun 2014 20:34:21 984 posts
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    yea I've got a 780ti coupled with a 4770k and Watch dogs is far from smooth. Far cry 3 also wasn't that great..

    Crysis 3 which IMO looks a lot nicer runs very well close to maxxed out..

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  • Deckard2 16 Jun 2014 20:34:53 3,674 posts
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    Watch Dogs has caused a load of people to think they need to upgrade when really it's just a terrible terrible port
  • captbirdseye 16 Jun 2014 20:40:16 5,458 posts
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    When textures look better on the PS4 than a Titan then you know the port sucks.
  • b0rk 16 Jun 2014 21:24:09 2,942 posts
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    YoshiMcTaggis wrote:
    Watch Dogs has caused a load of people to think they need to upgrade when really it's just a terrible terrible port
    Someone over at Guru3D found this hidden away in the config files (or whatever).



    gonna post that in the WD thread n'all. :p
  • Rusty_M 26 Jun 2014 22:09:17 4,916 posts
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    I got a new GTX780 this week. I left my existing 570 in there as a PhysX card because "why not, I already have it".

    Well, the warranty sticker was loose on the older card, and got sucked right into the fan on the newer card. I'm probably quite lucky that both cards and the sticker are in one piece. Can't reattach the sticker, though, so I guess that warranty's over.

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  • Sharzam 27 Jun 2014 07:46:52 3,350 posts
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    Well that was bloody lucky. I have often thought about PhysX cards but just cant be bothered.

    Would I be right in assuming it has no effect in non PhysX games aka most games. For games that do use it though what is the impact on FPS ?

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  • b0rk 27 Jun 2014 08:22:08 2,942 posts
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    Rusty_M wrote:
    I got a new GTX780 this week. I left my existing 570 in there as a PhysX card because "why not, I already have it".

    Well, the warranty sticker was loose on the older card, and got sucked right into the fan on the newer card. I'm probably quite lucky that both cards and the sticker are in one piece. Can't reattach the sticker, though, so I guess that warranty's over.
    Take the 570 out. It's just sucking up juice and won't give you better physx performance at all.
  • Rusty_M 27 Jun 2014 12:40:22 4,916 posts
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    Sharzam wrote:
    Well that was bloody lucky. I have often thought about PhysX cards but just cant be bothered.

    Would I be right in assuming it has no effect in non PhysX games aka most games. For games that do use it though what is the impact on FPS ?
    I'd never have bought a card just for physx. I'm yet to see how the 780 performs with physx on its own. With the pair, it's totally smooth at max settings in the batman games at least. I suppose that could probably be expected just from the step up in graphics cards.

    I'll check it out at some time. Probably next week, as I have some more parts on the way, so I'll be tinkering inside the case anyway.

    And you're right that it does nothing in non physx games. I've seen an unreliable source day it does some compute stuff, but it'll really make no difference at all.

    Edited by Rusty_M at 12:41:47 27-06-2014

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  • Rusty_M 28 Jun 2014 11:10:42 4,916 posts
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    Well I've just done some basic benchmarking using Batman Arkham City, Arkham Origins and Metro 2033

    In both Batman games, there were drops below 30FPS when the GTX570 was disabled and high PhysX enabled. When I re-enabled the card, the FPS remained almost steadily at 60FPS at those same moments.

    In Metro, it appeared to only make 1-5 FPS difference, suggesting that whatever was causing the FPS to dip heavily at times was due to some other setting.

    I suppose I'll keep using it for PhysX enabled titles.

    I've a new motherboard on the way, which I think has it's PCIE slots a little further apart, so it shouldn't be much hassle to just slot it in when I'm playing a PhysX title, and leave it out when it's useless.

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  • b0rk 1 Jul 2014 12:46:10 2,942 posts
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    That's strange. I saw no benefit to having a second card for physx with the Arkham games.
  • PenguinJim 1 Jul 2014 14:02:51 6,003 posts
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    What card were you using for your PhysX, B0rked?
  • b0rk 1 Jul 2014 14:12:17 2,942 posts
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    I've tried a GTX 460 and a 580 paired with a 670 with no obvious benefit.

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 14:12:40 01-07-2014
  • PenguinJim 1 Jul 2014 14:36:01 6,003 posts
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    That is strange. :confused:
  • b0rk 1 Jul 2014 15:05:00 2,942 posts
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    eeehh it's not that strange. Many folk over at Guru3D have come to the same conclusion. Perhaps having a second card for physx helps if the main card is weak. I've even tried lowering the settings and screen resolution in games and having a 580 as the main card and using the 670 as the physx card but have never seen any real benefit.
  • Sharzam 2 Jul 2014 19:23:41 3,350 posts
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    One of the things i read was that if the main card is pretty powerful it actually gets dragged down by the second card. As the extra time and bandwidth to communicate between the cards. A bit like how Sli scaling isn't 100%.

    So either have two cards the same for Sli goodies, or just one beastly card. The only time where physx helps is when the main card is 'ok' and the physx effects are massively bottlenecking, but that just doesn't happen that often these days. We have moved past the days of Batman:AA running on a GTS250.

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  • Rusty_M 2 Jul 2014 19:38:31 4,916 posts
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    Well on my current board, both of my PCIe slots will run at x16, so maybe that explains our different experiences.

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  • b0rk 3 Jul 2014 12:32:33 2,942 posts
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    I just bought one of these

    http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-amd-radeon-r9-290-4gb-pci-e-3-0-hdmi-gaming-962Y.html?q=r9%20290&src=16

    300 quid for titan level (ish) performance? AMD drivers are crap at the mo but oh man the cards are good value. Just imagine if the drivers where actually good.



    My 670 will probably be back in by the end of next week...
  • captbirdseye 3 Jul 2014 13:00:15 5,458 posts
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    MSI 290's are pretty loud under load. I would've gone for the Sapphire or Powercolor ones.
  • b0rk 3 Jul 2014 13:49:13 2,942 posts
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    http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-r9-290-oc-gaming-edition-review-1600p-ultra-hd-4k/29/

    That says the noise levels are good.

    I couldn't find many reviews for the 290, only the 290x. :|

    hardocp says the MSI 290x is a quiet card and that's using the same hsf.

    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 14:14:56 03-07-2014
  • Rodpad 3 Jul 2014 13:51:15 2,092 posts
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    Or an Asus Nvidia equivalent if you want things to be silent.
  • b0rk 3 Jul 2014 13:59:36 2,942 posts
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    Yeah the Asus 670 I'm using now is completely silent. So good.
  • Stan101 3 Jul 2014 14:42:52 723 posts
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    Got an EVGA gtx 780 yesterday, along with a 4790k devil's canyon and new motherboard, case, psu and more ram. Built it yesterday and fk me it's quiet and fast. 120fps locked on BF4 on high settings. Never even tried ultra as it looks fantastic. Mind you I was replacing an i3 and gtx 650 so I expected the performance increase to be huge. Well chuffed.
  • captbirdseye 3 Jul 2014 14:56:27 5,458 posts
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    @B0rked_Gamer The problem with the 290/290x coolers is that most companies didn't bother to design the coolers specifically for AMD, and instead just plonked 780/ti coolers on them. This means that a lot of the cards run particularly hot (mid to high 80's) and very loud under load. I had a Gigabyte Windforce 290 and it was unbearable sometimes and hit 89 degrees on Sleeping Dogs.

    The only custom coolers worth a look are the Sapphire and Powercolor one's at 290/290x.
  • b0rk 3 Jul 2014 15:03:59 2,942 posts
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    Were you using extreme AA on Sleepy Doge? For some reason that heats up cards like a motherfucker.

    I've been looking around at some reviews for the MSI 290x which is using the same cooling as the 290 and apart from the card being a bit of a wind bag the temps seem to stay under 80c. Some reviews like the hardocp one say the card is quiet, some say the card has decent noise levels and some say it's slightly noisy.



    Edited by B0rked_Gamer at 15:04:45 03-07-2014
  • captbirdseye 3 Jul 2014 15:10:10 5,458 posts
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    Hehe, I used those reviews for two cards and they were so off the mark (for me) that I just returned the cards.

    Yeah no AA for me but I do use it on my current Sapphire and don't hit 70 degrees now. I do like AMD cards (never had a problem with drivers) but they can be a pain in the arse for quality when compared with Nvidia.
  • b0rk 3 Jul 2014 15:18:47 2,942 posts
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    'ang on a mo tho, I seem to recall folk complaining about the Gigabyte cards having problems with the BIOS and they had to release a rev 2 or something.

    eehh it's all part of the fun of PC gaming eh?
  • captbirdseye 3 Jul 2014 15:25:18 5,458 posts
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    Yeah that was the first batch of cards until they revised them (i had a revised model). Hehe, yeah PC gaming can be pain sometimes and don't even get me started on the joys of home made water cooling :D.
  • azurelas_2 4 Jul 2014 05:29:44 1,148 posts
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    Hi all,


    My GTX 570 is being held back by its lack or VRAM (1.25GB) by most modern games (I'm playing at 2560*1440), so I'm looking for an upgrade. Is the GTX 770 a big enough leap, or should I wait for the 800 series? I've looked at some benchmarks and apparently there's "only" a 42% performance differential between them.

    My question is; is it worth paying 320 for a 42% increase in performance?


    Thanks in advance.
  • captbirdseye 4 Jul 2014 07:09:37 5,458 posts
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    800 series isn't looking like a huge leap in performance now and the likely release date is the begining of next year as they've had a few problems.

    For future proofing, you'd ideally be looking at the the next step up (780) at that resolution. I'd highly recommend going the AMD route for price vs performance though and a 290 is about 50% faster than a 570 and you'd be paying under 300 quid for one.
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2014 07:13:30 79,170 posts
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    IMO, no it's not worth it.

    Better to play at a lower resolution and get a better card when it's at a more affordable price. Why you'd get that monitor for that card is a mystery.

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