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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 19:01:25 3,155 posts
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    No I can't. I've not seen a 670 for just 230. Where is that?
  • Armoured_Bear 14 Nov 2012 19:05:06 11,728 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    as much as Id give my right testicle for one of those in the freedom/wanking room, its far too small, It'd be like sitting next to the sun.
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    No it wouldn't, that's the kind of shite clueless women spout.
    How far from sitting position to telly?

    BTW Is noise a concern for you?

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:27:41 3,841 posts
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    @vizzini Well realistically I wont want to be changing the mobo or CPU for the next 4-5 years

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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 19:28:45 3,155 posts
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    Me either. I did wonder about the Socket 1155 i5 thinking there's nowhere to go with that mobo other than an i7. But like my last machine I won't be upgrading the CPU/mobo for quite some time anyway.
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:29:07 3,841 posts
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    @Maturin

    I made the schoolboy error of not noticing the VAT:/ its actually 280

    http://www.ballicom.co.uk/gf670gtx2gepb-pny-xlr8-geforce-gtx-670--graphics-card--gf-gtx-670--2-gb-gddr5--pci-express-30-x16--2-x-dvi-hdmi-displayport.p804867.html?ref=1&of_tid=SjUIqgyn0xX6HRFDDheVSmV-zAqKn_rAxQoA2JjwATz7pVKarTHi3mAy669RBI38

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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 19:29:49 3,155 posts
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    We've all done that now and again. :)
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:32:16 3,841 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    as much as Id give my right testicle for one of those in the freedom/wanking room, its far too small, It'd be like sitting next to the sun.
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    No it wouldn't, that's the kind of shite clueless women spout.
    How far from sitting position to telly?

    BTW Is noise a concern for you?

    Yes, but Im about 4 foot from the telly, I put a 32 inch here at first and it felt like my eyes were melting when watching stuff in the dark, because its a small room I'd like to keep the noise down hence the case I chose, but then again it does get rather warm in here...

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 19:32:56 14-11-2012

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:34:44 3,841 posts
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    @captbirdseye

    CheersI think I'll go for the 750w, not sure about that case though, the USB 3.0 not matching the rest of it would piss me off..

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  • Armoured_Bear 14 Nov 2012 19:51:47 11,728 posts
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    750W is massive overkill, I have a 560W one which runs my system perfectly.

    For noise you want to be careful with the case fans. Anyway...

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:56:08 3,841 posts
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    Well someone just said get a 750w in case of overclocking!

    I did look into it and assumed 650w would be enough but maybe it's as well to err on the side of safety ?

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 19:56:58 14-11-2012

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  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 20:05:15 6,521 posts
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    @INSOMANiAC just for a bit of reasonable overclocking I'd think 650 was ok, but if you are contemplating sli at a later date then might be better for 750.
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 20:10:44 3,841 posts
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    I've read a few reviews of the 660ti (msi power edition) and it boils down to this

    So, should you buy a GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB? It's certainly not as clear cut as Nvidia might have hoped. It's certainly faster than a stock 7870 2GB and 7950 3GB in the majority of our tests and competitive even with the as-yet-unreleased 7950 3GB with Boost, but we can't help but feel that at 260-270, the extra 20-30 to make the jump to a GTX 670 2GB is easily worth it for peace of mind, particularly if you think you might move to a higher resoltuion display in the near future.

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 20:13:19 3,841 posts
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    What kind of resolutions are you chaps running at because I notice at higher res with the texture pack the 670 struggled with crysis 2

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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 20:20:10 3,155 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    I've read a few reviews of the 660ti (msi power edition) and it boils down to this

    So, should you buy a GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB? It's certainly not as clear cut as Nvidia might have hoped. It's certainly faster than a stock 7870 2GB and 7950 3GB in the majority of our tests and competitive even with the as-yet-unreleased 7950 3GB with Boost, but we can't help but feel that at 260-270, the extra 20-30 to make the jump to a GTX 670 2GB is easily worth it for peace of mind, particularly if you think you might move to a higher resoltuion display in the near future.
    That Tom's Hardware? They were quite cool on the 660Ti. But then they don't even put the GTX670 in their recommended cards.

    I read lots of reviews of the PE card I bought that gave much more thorough benchmarking than Tom's Hardware. So while having read TH I did re-consider, it was the other reviews that got me interested in the card. I haven't been disappointed.

    Give this very thorough Techpowerup review a read.
  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 20:21:37 5,282 posts
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    rodpad wrote:
    You won't need anything more than 550W really. Nobody with any sense does SLI (unless they are doing SLI with the two very top cards on the market).
    Overclocking is pretty heavy on power consumption and i always like to have a little bit of a buffer aswell. You be pushing a 550w pretty heavy with overclocking.
  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 20:23:27 5,282 posts
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    Apologies i quoted wrong person.

    1080p, ultra settings and going no lower than 55fps for bf3.

    Edited by captbirdseye at 20:24:12 14-11-2012
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 20:25:19 3,841 posts
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    @Maturin that particular one was bit-tech. I know you're trying to hard sell me the 660 but I've decided to go for the 670 as even though they are very close I think the extra 30 quid or so will be worth it for the slightly better performance

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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 20:26:31 3,155 posts
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    I'm not trying to sell anything. I have no vested interest. Nearly bought a 670 myself. Just sharing my experience with the card and my reasons for purchase.
  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 20:27:05 5,282 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    @Maturin that particular one was bit-tech. I know you're trying to hard sell me the 660 but I've decided to go for the 670 as even though they are very close I think the extra 30 quid or so will be worth it for the slightly better performance
    You can also flog on the two free games you get.
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 20:31:03 3,841 posts
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    Maturin wrote:
    I'm not trying to sell anything. I have no vested interest. Nearly bought a 670 myself. Just sharing my experience with the card and my reasons for purchase.
    I know mate I appreciate it I was just being facetious

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  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 20:37:35 3,155 posts
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    No worries. :)

    The thing about my new build I'm most impressed with is the motherboard. Mobos certainly have changed a lot since I bought my Q6600 rig in early 2008.

    The one I bought has many neat features such as UEFI bios, great fan control/profiling, built-in WiFi and quick charging of USB devices such as smartphones.
  • MMMarmite 14 Nov 2012 23:30:31 1,100 posts
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    If you're not bothered about SLI you could drop the sabertooth for something like the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H (~95) and spend the savings on either an Intel Smart Response drive or a SSD ;)
  • MMMarmite 14 Nov 2012 23:53:39 1,100 posts
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    The UD3H has 2 full bandwidth PCIe3 slots and a DisplayPort output whereas the D3H only has one PCIe3 at full 16x and possibly 2 less USB3 ports, or at least that's the only differences I can see between the two. The D3H can still do SLI but one card will run with the reduced 8x bandwidth.
  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 00:04:54
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    @vizzini Well realistically I wont want to be changing the mobo or CPU for the next 4-5 years
    @INSOMANiAC

    My problem with socket 1155 systems, is that they are pitched at mid-range(3year lifespan usually) by price and performance. They will be generationally replaced by Intel soon, with the new cheap models that make upgrading just the CPU a technically poor option and financially non-cost effective(based on historic trends).

    Socket 2011 will have the same fate too. But its 64GB quad channel memory architecture, larger L1,L2,cache memory, more physical and logical CPU cores, and higher end i7 3960X upgrade limitation, (even forgetting overclocking versatility), mean that day will come at least 18months later than the corresponding 1155 system. A 150 3960X even in 2017 might still look appealing to inject new life in an old Socket 2011 system, with a new GPU.

    As for the GPU my advice is, go back three years and think about the 350 GPU that existed then(GTX 280?). Now compare (by features/performance) to a modest 90 GPU now(GTX 650). Assuming you would have upgraded the cheap GPU every year in between, and had the choice today of having the old 350 GPU, or today's 90 GPU, which would you prefer to currently own in your system?
  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 01:06:38 3,841 posts
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    So your advice would be to go for something like this

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-408-IN

    Then at least with socket 2011 I can upgrade to the 3960x at a minimum if and when it's cheaper a few years down the line. It's about 65 quid more expensive than the i5 but that isn't a huge issue, I'm determined now to keep it to magical 1k limit.

    That will take me to around 850 which will leave me a bit over for a mouse , keyboard and a couple of games

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  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 01:09:42 3,841 posts
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    Ps as that's oem I'm assuming it won't come with a heat sink or fan yet the retail version doesn't either according to overclockers ?? I don't want to be fannying around with thermal pastes etc

    Edit,

    I think I've decided on the 3570k mainly due to the fact that there doesnt seem to be any tangible advantage to the extra cost of the 3820 other than the upgrade options, and the 3570k is better for overclocking. If I were to want to upgrade in 2/3 years I will just have to buy another motherboard which in the long term will probably mean me paying an extra 70 quid or so on top of the 60 extra the 3820 would cost me but it isnt the end of the world and it gives me more money to spend on the immediate project.

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 01:20:21 15-11-2012

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 01:24:34 15-11-2012

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  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 01:23:11
    This was what I bought. It arrived pre-assembled in the motherboard box, with heat sink/fan sticking out like a US muscle car.

    Cpu Mobo memory bundle, preassembled and overclocked stresstested

    That way, you can just change the multiplier back in the bios, from 42(4.2Ghz), to 36(3.6GHz) and no fear of premature burn out, before you need the extra performance.
  • INSOMANiAC 15 Nov 2012 01:29:03 3,841 posts
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    its a nice bit of gear which I have previously looked at myself but it 262 over what Im spending at the moment and takes me over the 1k limit Ive set myself so I'll have to skip on that one

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 02:02:09 15-11-2012

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