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  • THFourteen 24 Oct 2013 13:13:03 34,267 posts
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    @PenguinJim

    I'm waiting to see which one supports better inhouse game streaming to laptop before i take the plunge next year.
  • rtk79 24 Oct 2013 13:25:50 496 posts
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    As a long-time AMD user (and all-round tech-noob, I should add), I've never felt short-changed or handicapped by their drivers. Or harware, for that matter. Never had a BSOD, never had a GPU die on me, never bought a game I couldn't play. I don't fuss over benchmarks though, so if the similarly-priced competition gets an extra frame or two, it doesn't affect me all that much. I am, however, keenly awaiting that Mantle thing, just to see.

    That said, I'd love an answer to my RAM question, handily copied below:
    I'd like to double my current RAM, but the sticks are currently use seem to be sold out / unavailable / not manufactured anymore (bought them with the PC about three years ago). I've noticed the brand (GSkill, as it happens) sells a similar specced remplacement. The only apparent difference between the two seems to be the item identification number. Can I expect the two to work together faultlessly?

    Edited by rtk79 at 13:26:31 24-10-2013
  • captbirdseye 24 Oct 2013 14:12:26 5,282 posts
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    Wonder if AMD are giving out the games for early adopters....hmmm!
  • misterm84 24 Oct 2013 14:35:43 94 posts
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    All this AMD drivers stuff is nonsense. Maybe years ago it had some truth to it (when the GPUs were ATi) but these days AMD drivers work just fine, I've never had a problem and I've had/got a 9800Pro/3850/6850/7870XT.

    I have nothing against nVidia cards and I'm not a fan boy, as a budget conscious PC gamer it's hard not to usually go for AMD for their price/performance ratio.
  • Deleted user 24 October 2013 14:38:11
    My mum had a radeon and she died
  • PenguinJim 24 Oct 2013 14:43:33 5,953 posts
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    What I hate is all of those anti-AMD fanboys on forums INVENTING "problems" with their "AMD cards" just to make AMD look bad. Seriously, why do they bother making that shit up? It seems like every time they see someone with a nvidia driver issue, they start up three different user accounts all complaining about AMD driver issues, when in reality there hasn't been a single AMD driver issue since 2004.
  • FutileResistor 24 Oct 2013 15:08:58 1,238 posts
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    @rtk79

    Make sure that the new sticks are as similar as possible. Speed, CAS timings, voltage and you should be fine.
  • teamHAM 24 Oct 2013 15:17:32 3,117 posts
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    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    My mum had a radeon and she died
    :(

    XBox Live, Origin, PSN and Steam: teamHAM

  • Deleted user 24 October 2013 15:20:47
    heh, just fucking with you. She's alive and well.
  • PenguinJim 24 Oct 2013 15:44:19 5,953 posts
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    Missed a perfect opportunity there for mentioning how she was caught in a Crossfire. :(
  • Deleted user 24 October 2013 15:56:59
    heh, didn't think of that.
  • Rodpad 24 Oct 2013 15:59:46 2,063 posts
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    I've flip flopped between the two brands over the past 10 years. TNT2, 9800, 6800, X1950 Pro, 4850, GTX 275, GTX 560Ti, GTX 670.

    At the moment, AMD cards are hot, loud and power hungry, Nivida cards are less hot, quieter and more power efficient. Don't forget about AMD's microstuttering which is still an issue.

    Whatever card you do get, you absolutely should buy one of the decent custom cooler editions, such as Asus' Direct CU II which is the coolest and quietest on the market right now.

    Seems daft to save a few pennies and end up with a washing machine.

    Edited by Roddles at 16:01:22 24-10-2013
  • Phattso Moderator 24 Oct 2013 16:06:13 13,795 posts
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    Second the Asus Direct wotsit here. Even at full whack it's really whisper quiet.
  • FutileResistor 24 Oct 2013 16:21:38 1,238 posts
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    Micro stuttering is only an issue if you crossfire. It doesn't happen at all with single cards, which is what we always recommend around these parts.
  • PenguinJim 24 Oct 2013 16:35:05 5,953 posts
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    Micro-stuttering is the term for the issue with multi-GPU setups, but single AMD GPUs can still suffer from just "stuttering". :p (OK, I'm paranoid I'm having another "senior moment"... let me Google something that might show me to be right. Or possibly wrong if I actually read it)
  • FutileResistor 24 Oct 2013 16:46:22 1,238 posts
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    Read the investigation done into this issue by tech power-up and PC Perspective's Frame-rating articles. The mystery of micro-stuttering has been solved.

    Edit. Sorry that should be Tech Report not tech power up.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 20:02:25 24-10-2013
  • Buztafen 24 Oct 2013 17:10:41 16,479 posts
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    I'm seriously leaning towards an R9 280x upgrade from by current card (560Ti 448). My brother's just got a lovely Palit 760 Jetstream (git!) and i've got massive GPU envy... though if the 770's price comes down as low as 240 i'll probably jump on one of those.

    Are we expecting an nvidia price drop soon maybe at the same time as when the new game bundle arrives?

    Edited by Buztafen at 17:11:11 24-10-2013
  • PenguinJim 24 Oct 2013 17:20:09 5,953 posts
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    @FutileResistor Well... quite. We know what causes it.

    Gah, I feel like I'm making AMD sound terrible here! I imagine just like most people won't notice an extra 3% performance on an AMD card, most people also won't benefit from nvidia drivers over AMD. The companies are close enough at the moment that if Linux (and SteamOS, presumably) and G-sync are irrelevant to you, just pick up the best bargain from whichever company is available at the time! (The GTX770 at 270 does not count as a bargain in my book, incidentally, and won't even be competitive until it gets those games next week)
  • captbirdseye 24 Oct 2013 17:59:59 5,282 posts
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    You'd really have to be an Nvidia fan boy not to pick up AMD cards at the moment. The Sapphire R280 Toxic is basically as quick as the 780 and is half the price. Also, the majority of AMD cards are now 3gb which will future proof your system for quite some time.
  • Rodpad 24 Oct 2013 18:21:28 2,063 posts
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    Sapphire cards are noisy and hot due to the reference cooler.

    Stock 280X is nowhere near a 780
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/08/amd-280x-270x-260x-reviews/6

    The 280X and 780 are in different price and performance brackets.

    The 280X still gets beaten by a 770
    http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/61201-amd-radeon-r9-280x-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-4k/

    Sure the 770 is overpriced, but the 670 can be bought for 160 with custom quiet coolers. It's pretty much on par and a good 70 cheaper - similar story to the above.

    Lines are blurry at the moment with this re-badged generation. Everything will change with the proper new generation that starts with Nvidia in spring, then AMD in the summer.

    Edited by Roddles at 18:24:32 24-10-2013
  • rtk79 24 Oct 2013 18:38:48 496 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    @rtk79

    Make sure that the new sticks are as similar as possible. Speed, CAS timings, voltage and you should be fine.
    Thanks. As I said, the specs you mention seem identical. Here's hoping all goes well.
  • superdelphinus 24 Oct 2013 19:42:26 8,125 posts
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    Where is the 670 160? I know it was for about a week once but it generally seems to be about 300?
  • FutileResistor 24 Oct 2013 19:53:38 1,238 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    @FutileResistor Well... quite. We know what causes it.

    Gah, I feel like I'm making AMD sound terrible here! I imagine just like most people won't notice an extra 3% performance on an AMD card, most people also won't benefit from nvidia drivers over AMD. The companies are close enough at the moment that if Linux (and SteamOS, presumably) and G-sync are irrelevant to you, just pick up the best bargain from whichever company is available at the time! (The GTX770 at 270 does not count as a bargain in my book, incidentally, and won't even be competitive until it gets those games next week)
    Sorry Jim, I didn't properly read your reply and didn't even click your link, thinking you were commenting on micro-stuttering.

    The single card stuttering was never really something which manifested as a problem in actual use and was fixed in any case fixed by driver updates. It is not an issue now. The micro-stuttering in crossfire, however, is still not completely resolved.
  • FutileResistor 24 Oct 2013 20:18:00 1,238 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Where is the 670 160? I know it was for about a week once but it generally seems to be about 300?
    There was an about 10 day window about a month ago when it was possible to get a 670 for 160-180. Now they're going for 300+ which is as mental as Apple selling an iPad 2 for 330.
  • dylandylan 24 Oct 2013 20:23:52 1 posts
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    impressive..
  • Rodpad 24 Oct 2013 23:18:36 2,063 posts
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    Comparing overclocked cards to stock clocked competitor cards is hardly a level playing field. They should be compared at reference, or all non reference from the same manufacturer.

    Scan are selling an overclocked 670 for 179 (which I don't necessarily recommend, just proving a point).

    Edited by Roddles at 23:21:08 24-10-2013
  • PenguinJim 25 Oct 2013 06:41:13 5,953 posts
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    That said $309, moron.
  • superdelphinus 25 Oct 2013 11:07:24 8,125 posts
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    290x

    hard

    Edited by superdelphinus at 11:07:42 25-10-2013

    Edited by superdelphinus at 11:08:08 25-10-2013
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