Starbucks has paid just 8.6m taxes on 3bn UK sales since 1998 Page 5

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  • DaM 16 Oct 2012 19:51:55 13,326 posts
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    mal wrote:
    DaM wrote:
    And not sure why they talk about 3bn turnover - you only pay corp tax on profit - eg after you've paid for everything else. I imagine they pay their child coffee pickers a heap :)
    Are you referring the the Guardian article? Cos all I can see there is a reference to 3bn sales, over the last 14 years. Sales != turnover, as I assume you know.

    Although I guess you're making the point that sales!=profit?
    Yes, turnover is irrelevant. There's even a quote from a Labour MP expressing the tax paid as a % of turnover, which is ridiculous. Not sticking up for them, but it could be expressed better.
  • BurnoutJunkie 16 Oct 2012 20:34:35 727 posts
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    mal wrote:
    What the flying fuck is a chai latte? A tea made with steamed milk and spices with more steamed milk (assuming the espresso is omitted for sanity)? But still, milky tea?

    Or is it just Chai for stupid wankers? Chai already contains milk.
    I'm not an expert on this, just like the drink. For your benefit, I pulled this from Wikipedia:

    Numerous coffee houses use the term chai latte for their version to indicate that the steamed milk of a normal latte is being flavored with a spiced tea concentrate instead of with espresso, without necessarily implying the addition of coffee. Some coffeehouses and brand names refer to their product as chai tea latte.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masala_chai
  • LeoliansBro 16 Oct 2012 20:37:47 44,503 posts
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    Erm...
    mal wrote:
    Sales != turnover, as I assume you know.
    Yes, it is. Sales/revenue/turnover is the same thing.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 16 Oct 2012 20:42:18 44,503 posts
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    And I wonder what the gross VAT they've paid over that time is, given that all that ultimately ends up with HMRC.

    Not saying they haven't been shifty and clever, just that this is red meat to the under-read wannabe liberals out there and the Guardian has a knowing, cynical, tabloid habit of giving the people what they want.

    Edited by LeoliansBro at 20:43:19 16-10-2012

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • thelzdking 16 Oct 2012 20:50:51 4,369 posts
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    Hot drinks are for the weak.

    /glugs ice-cold water
  • LeoliansBro 16 Oct 2012 20:55:12 44,503 posts
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    I assume therefore that weak drinks are for the hot.

    /sets up barley water franchise

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • neilka 16 Oct 2012 21:01:57 16,228 posts
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    Weak lemon drinks are to be drunk NOW.
  • mcmothercruncher 16 Oct 2012 21:08:37 7,204 posts
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    Starbucks is the coffee chain for people that like coffee that an 11 year old would like.
  • skuzzbag 16 Oct 2012 21:43:47 5,651 posts
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    My own urine has a better more rounded flavour to be frank.
  • elstoof 16 Oct 2012 22:23:25 7,726 posts
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    Spiced tea concentrate.. Yummy. How could anyone not love the idea of boiled down tea, a thick and syrupy concentrate with added spice flavourings, bottled and preserved then added to steamed milk.
  • TheSaint 16 Oct 2012 22:29:18 14,602 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Spiced tea concentrate.. Yummy. How could anyone not love the idea of boiled down tea, a thick and syrupy concentrate with added spice flavourings, bottled and preserved then added to steamed milk.
    But it tastes so good.
  • ronuds 16 Oct 2012 22:42:15 21,788 posts
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    Doesn't sound too bad, if you like tea. Which I don't. But if I did!!

    I just get their hot chocolate and soft butter cookie things that are delicious. I have family who work at one, so all gratis, of course. I wouldn't go otherwise.

    Oh, their scones are good too!
  • disusedgenius 16 Oct 2012 22:45:34 5,399 posts
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    I just stand outside and steal their wifi like any self respecting person would.
  • Bremenacht 16 Oct 2012 22:51:46 18,693 posts
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    skuzzbag wrote:
    My own urine has a better more rounded flavour to be frank.
    I'll try a grande then please.
  • bzzct 17 Oct 2012 12:34:39 1,725 posts
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    Why do people keep banging on about the Guardian? They have no more to do with it than every other media outlet that's picked up the story.
  • LetsGo 17 Oct 2012 13:34:03 5,270 posts
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    Why is it Starbucks fault that the government let's them get away with this?

    It's all down to legislation when it comes to tax.
  • mal 17 Oct 2012 14:53:53 22,683 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Erm...
    mal wrote:
    Sales != turnover, as I assume you know.
    Yes, it is. Sales/revenue/turnover is the same thing.
    Bah, I suppose you're right in this context, as I assume Starbucks aren't making massive profits from investments, and their income from their store in a store operations probably doesn't come to much against their sales of (barely) consumable liquids.

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

  • sport 1 Nov 2012 10:39:16 12,775 posts
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    Starbucks are doing buy one get one free on their christmas red cups drinks:

    gingerbread lattee
    eggnogg lattee
    prauline mocha

    This weekend only - from Fri 2nd Nov until Mon 5th Nov.

    Please, let's help out Starbucks and support this, thanks.
  • AaronTurner 1 Nov 2012 14:06:09 7,785 posts
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    What the fuck, are those drinks serious?

    I hope anyone that drinks that muck dies a slow, agonising death.
  • TheSaint 1 Nov 2012 14:31:54 14,602 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    What the fuck, are those drinks serious?

    I hope anyone that drinks that muck dies a slow, agonising death.
    You've never heard of them before?

    What's the weather like under your rock?
  • senso-ji 13 Nov 2012 14:14:52 5,956 posts
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    I cringed while watching this

    Not sure why Amazon employ someone who comes across as incompetent (I'm sure he's not). If they don't want to disclose their financials then they should make that clear before the questioning starts.
  • Kostabi 13 Nov 2012 14:22:37 4,975 posts
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    It's like Amazon's CFO looked around the office and decided at random which poor sod to throw under the bus.
  • whatfruit 13 Nov 2012 15:40:37 1,605 posts
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    @Kostabi probably not far from the truth, because the news story will now be focused on how useless and incompetant this guy's performance was rather than on what he actually said.

    bobomb wrote:
    so it's not really on her terms, it's on his terms, because she isn't real.

  • jellyhead 13 Nov 2012 15:51:43 24,350 posts
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    El Reg - Google, Amazon, Starbucks are 'immoral' and 'ridiculous' over UK tax.

    It seems like Google didn't send a chimp at least. Amazon looking like they don't give a fig could go badly for them later on.

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  • Ginger 13 Nov 2012 15:57:42 6,867 posts
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    Where was morality when all the MPs were caught with their hands in the expenses jar?

    The MPs seem to be just grandstanding for the select committee cameras at the minute, without fully understanding that they've created and perpetuated the system that these companies operate in.

    London open taekwondo champion

  • jellyhead 13 Nov 2012 16:06:12 24,350 posts
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    Or they're grandstanding while they work out how to close this loophole and open another one for their mates' companies to use.

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  • TheSaint 13 Nov 2012 16:06:53 14,602 posts
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    Reading a story on The Guardian website.
    Found via a Google search.
    Using your Vodafone data connection.
    Tethered to your MacBook.
    That you brought from Amazon.
    While drinking a Starbucks Latte.

    Creative accounting Bingo!
  • jellyhead 13 Nov 2012 16:11:10 24,350 posts
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    Bloody Hipsters.

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  • whatfruit 13 Nov 2012 16:19:29 1,605 posts
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    Someone please think of the shareholders.

    bobomb wrote:
    so it's not really on her terms, it's on his terms, because she isn't real.

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