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  • kalel 27 Sep 2012 13:54:10 87,910 posts
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    Yours for £70k or so.
  • smoothpete 27 Sep 2012 14:00:47 31,534 posts
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    Looks approximately a million times better with the roof down

    No hardtop convertible though? Merc nailed that years ago.
  • El_MUERkO 27 Sep 2012 14:02:53 17,048 posts
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    The coupé is out in 2014, that's the drivers car, faster, lighter and about £10k cheaper :)

    So with luck I'll pick up a second-hand one in 2018 :)
  • smoothpete 27 Sep 2012 14:04:51 31,534 posts
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    Is it basically the baby Aston Martin but watered down a bit?
  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 14:07:11 44,415 posts
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    It's a different beast pete - there's no Ford-flavoured crossover with Aston Martin any more, remember.

    Good to see this is finally announced, I've been in the loop for a little while. Awesome car, light, small, and properly agile. Should be a worthy successor to the XKE.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deckard1 27 Sep 2012 14:10:26 28,243 posts
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    That looks delicious.
  • El_MUERkO 27 Sep 2012 14:15:16 17,048 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    Is it basically the baby Aston Martin but watered down a bit?
    Some would say that, but the designers at Jaguar are far more focused on the driving experience. Aston's tend to be noisy, straight line speed, fun cars. The F-Type is being pitted against the 911, so a good looking car that's great to drive to the track and then on the track.

    Tata bought Jaguar and Land Rover and have pumped money into them to build their reputations. I Jaguar's case you pay for the vehicle with zero premium for the name because they want more people to drive them and build that reputation. As the name gets the respect of the motoring public you'll see a shift towards greater luxury.

    You can see it with the F-Type, they're looking to get the price of the hard-top as low as £55k but with all the bells as whistles it'll be near £100k in much the same way as Porsche price the 911, the car they're aiming to compete with.

    Edited by El_MUERkO at 14:16:11 27-09-2012
  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 14:17:50 44,415 posts
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    El_MUERkO wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    Is it basically the baby Aston Martin but watered down a bit?
    Some would say that, but the designers at Jaguar are far more focused on the driving experience. Aston's tend to be noisy, straight line speed, fun cars. The F-Type is being pitted against the 911, so a good looking car that's great to drive to the track and then on the track.

    Tata bought Jaguar and Land Rover and have pumped money into them to build their reputations. I Jaguar's case you pay for the vehicle with zero premium for the name because they want more people to drive them and build that reputation. As the name gets the respect of the motoring public you'll see a shift towards greater luxury.

    You can see it with the F-Type, they're looking to get the price of the hard-top as low as £55k but with all the bells as whistles it'll be near £100k in much the same way as Porsche price the 911, the car they're aiming to compete with.
    Please note pete - this is almost entirely wrong.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • El_MUERkO 27 Sep 2012 15:12:26 17,048 posts
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    yes horribly wrong

    http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/Jaguar-reveals-f-type-info-2012-04-04

    http://www.0-60mag.com/news/2012/03/cars-jaguar-bigwig-really-wants-the-cx-16-to-happen/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/business/global/tata-motors-finds-success-in-jaguar-land-rover.html?pagewanted=all

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motor-shows/paris-motor-show/9568930/Paris-Motor-Show-2012-new-Range-Rover.html

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Jaguar-XJ-20-V6-at-the-2012-Beijing-motor-show/

    Edited by El_MUERkO at 15:14:08 27-09-2012
  • StarchildHypocrethes 27 Sep 2012 15:15:50 25,942 posts
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    It just looks a bit boring.
  • TheSaint 27 Sep 2012 15:36:44 14,478 posts
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    It looks alright, but if I had 70K to spend on a car I don't think I'd be heading to the Jaguar garage.
  • JuanKerr 27 Sep 2012 15:40:56 36,280 posts
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    My boss is at the Paris Motor Show today and says that it looks a lot better 'in the tin' than it does in pictures.
  • SpaceDave3000 27 Sep 2012 15:42:14 78,258 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    It looks alright, but if I had 70K to spend on a car I don't think I'd be heading to the Jaguar garage.
    You should be thinking about one of these.

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  • kalel 27 Sep 2012 15:42:16 87,910 posts
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    It is an ok looking car and definitely sexy with the hood down, but I think considering the heritage and the name, it really should be an absolutely jaw-dropping iconic car. Something totally groundbreaking and defining.

    I'm a little disappointed. I know not everyone gets a boner for an E-type (i do) but even if it's not your thing, you have to appreciate its significance and distinctiveness.
  • JuanKerr 27 Sep 2012 15:43:43 36,280 posts
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    El_MUERkO wrote:
    In Jaguar's case you pay for the vehicle with zero premium for the name
    That's bullshit for starters.

    Edited by JuanKerr at 15:44:20 27-09-2012
  • Deckard1 27 Sep 2012 15:43:46 28,243 posts
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    So I'm the only one who prefers it with the top on then?
  • SpaceDave3000 27 Sep 2012 15:45:57 78,258 posts
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    The Eagle Speedster has pretty much nailed the 21st century E-Type.

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  • Deckard1 27 Sep 2012 15:46:34 28,243 posts
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    Actually scrap that, I didn't realise you could drop the roof on the main picture. Stunning looking car imo.
  • Salaman 27 Sep 2012 15:48:45 19,129 posts
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    It vaguely reminds me of some other car. Can't quite put my finger on it. Something non jaguar.
  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 15:57:42 44,415 posts
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    El_MUERkO wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    Is it basically the baby Aston Martin but watered down a bit?
    Some would say that,
    And they'd be wrong. It's a front engined, rear wheel drive two seater convertible, and that's all it has in common.

    but the designers at Jaguar are far more focused on the driving experience. Aston's [sic] tend to be noisy, straight line speed, fun cars.
    This is extraordinary. Astons are grand tourers, designed for comfort, they aren't drag strip muscle cars for Golf GTi hooligans. The Aston is luxurious, bespoke, comfortable. The Jag will be lightweight, balanced, agile. Both are primarily, overwhelmingly focussed on the driving experience.

    The F-Type is being pitted against the 911, so a good looking car that's great to drive to the track and then on the track.
    Price point, number of seats, number of roofs, speed and acceleration put this in top end Boxster (and Cayman) territory. 911 is a step up, compares to the XKR.

    Tata bought Jaguar and Land Rover
    Correct (hooray!).

    and have pumped money into them to build their reputations.
    Wrong, 100% wrong. Tata bought the brand. They bought JLR in 2010 when the newest model was the Range Rover Sport and the X-F was still six months away.

    In Jaguar's case you pay for the vehicle with zero premium for the name because they want more people to drive them and build that reputation. As the name gets the respect of the motoring public you'll see a shift towards greater luxury.
    This is ludicrous. Tata were shopping for trophy Western names, they also bought Tetley Tea (and were rumoured to be looking at Arsenal). They wanted a luxury brand and that's what they got. The perceived lack of luxury at JLR was down to a shoe string budget, not because they were starting low and aiming to lift their rep. Utterly ridiculous statement.

    You can see it with the F-Type, they're looking to get the price of the hard-top as low as £55k but with all the bells as whistles it'll be near £100k in much the same way as Porsche price the 911, the car they're aiming to compete with.
    Yes, this is a selling practice unique to the 911. No other car maker does this, therefore it must be a direct rival to the 911. What insight.

    Edit: spurious 'K'.

    Edited by LeoliansBro at 16:04:18 27-09-2012

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 15:58:59 44,415 posts
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    Thanks for the regurgitated press releases though, I'll have a look at them when I've forgotten everything I already know about this company.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 16:06:54 44,415 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    The Eagle Speedster has pretty much nailed the 21st century E-Type.
    Ten times the price though, sadly.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • JuanKerr 27 Sep 2012 16:08:20 36,280 posts
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    The F-Type will start £58,500, which is more expensive than the Boxster and Cayman, and cheaper than the 911.

    The V8 S version is in 911 territory though - £79,950.

    Chances are, the top of the range version might snare a few potential 911 buyers, but I don't see the 911 as its main rival.
  • SpaceDave3000 27 Sep 2012 16:08:30 78,258 posts
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    Yeah, it's a ludicrous price, but I don't think it can really be bettered.

    @LeoliansBro

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:08:52 27-09-2012

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  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 16:10:04 44,415 posts
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    Gorgeous car. Just needed that bit of American brashness around the seat backwells and the bigger wheels.

    I'd love an E-Type, but the closest I'm likely to get is one of these.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deckard1 27 Sep 2012 16:11:28 28,243 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    ...Golf GTi hooligans....
    I'll dance on your grave
  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 16:12:24 44,415 posts
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    JuanKerr wrote:
    The F-Type will start £58,500, which is more expensive than the Boxster and Cayman, and cheaper than the 911.

    The V8 S version is in 911 territory though - £79,950.

    Chances are, the top of the range version might snare a few potential 911 buyers, but I don't see the 911 as its main rival.
    Yeah, fair enough, it does rather fall between the two stools. Didn't realise the Cayman could be had for less than £40k.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • SpaceDave3000 27 Sep 2012 16:12:40 78,258 posts
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    I'd still take a Lambo Miura over one, but the E-Type is the classic to end all.

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  • LeoliansBro 27 Sep 2012 16:13:51 44,415 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    ...Golf GTi hooligans....
    I'll dance on your grave
    And rev your engine loudly outside the cemetery, before turning all your fog lights on and picking up a McDonalds drive through on the way home.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • JuanKerr 27 Sep 2012 16:15:25 36,280 posts
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    To be fair, Audi is now the brand favoured by 99% of total cunts.
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