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  • kalel 24 Sep 2012 12:12:16 86,261 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    No, it's not. If you focus on class you miss the real issue that needs addressing.
    Which is?
    Wealth inequality.

    To take a crude example, it used to be the case that class defined access to education. Now its money. So a "working class" plumber on 90k a year can afford to give their kids private education and send them to uni. A "middle class" teacher on 25k a year may not.
  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Sep 2012 12:16:05 39,384 posts
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    I thought class=income these days?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • kalel 24 Sep 2012 12:17:40 86,261 posts
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    I think the point is the definition of class isn't particularly well defined, so if the issue is actually wealth, let's just use the word wealth to avoid confusion no?
  • MetalDog 24 Sep 2012 12:19:08 23,708 posts
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    Well, class is combination of social peers, education and wealth-ish, yes? It's just a term for how those things combine. Why is using it 'missing the real issue'? We know that all of those things can directly impact people's lives from childhood and that it is the minority that buck the trends of their starting position.

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  • LeoliansBro 24 Sep 2012 12:19:23 43,170 posts
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    Class was always allied to income. When it was illiquid and based on property it was hereditary, but with the rise of the merchant class and especially with the industrial revolution you got rich entrepreneurs sending their kids to the best schools (like the Dobbins in Vanity Fair).

    I'd say that's actually when 'class' became anachronistic and fossilised. It tried to imply disctinction where there was none, as shown by the fact that more and more people became 'middle class'.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Sep 2012 12:21:01 39,384 posts
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    Problem is, and I'm not trying to be pedantic here, doesn't income lead to wealth?

    Basically in my opinion class relates to what a person can buy with their level of income. With this comes a place/perception of place in society.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Deleted user 24 September 2012 12:23:20
    Upper class isn't talked about much these days? Is it only lords and multimillionaires or does it go further than that.

    They really are the neglected group when it comes to these things.
  • speedofthepuma 24 Sep 2012 12:25:13 13,266 posts
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    I don't think class is very linked to income at all compared to the past. There are a lot of people who have more money than me that I consider to be lower class, and equally a fair amount of people on here who probably have less money but who one might consider classier.

    Originally there was a much stronger tie to wealth.

    I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.

  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Sep 2012 12:29:53 39,384 posts
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    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Megapocalypse 24 Sep 2012 12:30:54 5,309 posts
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    I think I'm pleb class.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2012 12:31:13
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?
    You can be a footballer.
  • Rusty_M 24 Sep 2012 12:31:24 4,565 posts
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    I'd probably say I'm working class. My parents are maybe between working class and the more modern perceptions of middle class.

    I dislike the term "class system" though. It makes it sound much more organised than it really is. It almost sounds like the caste system which used to exist more strongly in India than it does now.

    The lines between classes in the UK are very blurry to say the least.

    The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine.

  • speedofthepuma 24 Sep 2012 12:32:42 13,266 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?
    Because I'm using my definition. And in that definition someone like a lottery winner, or a premier league footballer for instance, is certainly beneath me.

    Edited by speedofthepuma at 12:33:45 24-09-2012

    Edited by speedofthepuma at 12:48:40 24-09-2012

    I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.

  • MetalDog 24 Sep 2012 12:34:00 23,708 posts
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    @Megapocalypse =)

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  • mrpon 24 Sep 2012 12:35:03 28,416 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • JuanKerr 24 Sep 2012 12:36:02 36,192 posts
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    If I start wearing a monocle will that make me upper class?
  • speedofthepuma 24 Sep 2012 12:40:05 13,266 posts
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    JuanKerr wrote:
    If I start wearing a monocle will that make me upper class?
    Will it fall out when you're shocked? If so then yes.

    I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.

  • JuanKerr 24 Sep 2012 12:45:09 36,192 posts
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    A flash of a lady's ankle usually causes it to steam up and fall out. I also have to pull my collar away from my neck to cool down.

    Edited by JuanKerr at 12:45:25 24-09-2012
  • LeoliansBro 24 Sep 2012 12:46:07 43,170 posts
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    Don't forget to smile widely with a gap tooth, raise your eyebrows and murmur 'I saaaay...'

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • nickthegun 24 Sep 2012 12:50:01 58,782 posts
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    mrpon wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?
    Full credit to the lad, he burned through that money like he was allergic to it. I wish I had the nerve to just go absolutely apeshit like that.

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    He totally called it

  • jonsaan 24 Sep 2012 12:59:57 25,326 posts
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    FHUTC

    FCUTA!

  • speedofthepuma 24 Sep 2012 13:03:05 13,266 posts
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    He's attempted suicide twice.

    I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.

  • Deleted user 24 September 2012 13:04:07
    mcmononkeywrote:
    How can have more money and be of a lower class?
    Money stopped having relevance to class with the industrial revolution. The premiership is Pretty strong evidence of that. Class differences still exist obviously but I don't think it plays the role it used to at a society wide level. It will be relevant to small subgroups at both ends-often as an answer to a question nobody asked - but beyond that it died in the trenches. money inequality is a real issue and has nothing to do with class.
  • Rhythm 24 Sep 2012 13:08:27 2,462 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    How can you have more money and be of a lower class?
    You met any plumbers, builders? The town I live in is rife with them and they're a complete mishmash of "class" elements.
  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Sep 2012 13:11:47 39,384 posts
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    I don't know what class is then.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • kalel 24 Sep 2012 13:11:57 86,261 posts
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    MetalDog wrote:
    Well, class is combination of social peers, education and wealth-ish, yes? It's just a term for how those things combine. Why is using it 'missing the real issue'? We know that all of those things can directly impact people's lives from childhood and that it is the minority that buck the trends of their starting position.
    The thing is you talked of a "class system" which to me suggests something beyond those three factors you mention. Class system makes me think of India, or how it used to be here i.e. you were born into a certain class and that defined your access to education and job type etc etc.

    I don't think that's really "the issue" is it? Like LB says, the concept of class seems anachronistic to me.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2012 13:14:39
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    I don't know what class is then.


    Nobody does that us why it isnt an actual issue anymore beyond small subgroups that can agree on a definition.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2012 13:15:45
    Android is a pile of shite.

    Edit:somehow that worked

    Edited by mowgli at 13:16:39 24-09-2012
  • MetalDog 24 Sep 2012 13:16:43 23,708 posts
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    Do you really believe that the status of the family you're born into doesn't affect your prospects in education and employment?

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  • LeoliansBro 24 Sep 2012 13:19:22 43,170 posts
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    That status is built on wealth though, either previous or current.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

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